>Why don't they all just shut the fuck up and play the clips. Maybe with contributions from those who made them.
>
>I can't believe anyone anywhere on the planet could give a flying fuck what Iain Lee thinks about anything.
>
>And Emma Kennedy describing Crystal Tipps as "Bette Midler, on acid"? Do you have no memory, woman? TMWRNJ?
>
>And now they're going on about Teletubbies being popular with the clubbing set.
>
>Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck.
>

There's an easy solution to it all, you know.

Oi Remote Control, you ain;t from round these parts are ya.

Neither was I til a month ago, by the way.

It's bleak stuff...

>>Why don't they all just shut the fuck up and play the clips. Maybe with contributions from those who made them.
>>
>>I can't believe anyone anywhere on the planet could give a flying fuck what Iain Lee thinks about anything.
>>
>>And Emma Kennedy describing Crystal Tipps as "Bette Midler, on acid"? Do you have no memory, woman? TMWRNJ?
>>
>>And now they're going on about Teletubbies being popular with the clubbing set.
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>>Oh fuck fuck fuck fuck.
>>
>
>There's an easy solution to it all, you know.

I want to see the clips, but they're being ruined by cuntgoons.

This programme is 3hrs long! And I've learnt fuck all.

Did you know that Derek Griffiths wrote the tune to Bod? Well you won't find out from that programme!

Try a visit to TV Cream or buying one of those £9.99 retro student videos (Starsky and Hutch, The A-Team, Bagpuss) for convenient reminiscing without fear of broken fist bones.

>Try a visit to TV Cream or buying one of those £9.99 retro student videos (Starsky and Hutch, The A-Team, Bagpuss) for convenient reminiscing without fear of broken fist bones.

I hate those sodding videos, I'm not spending £10 on a video.
But if this programme is just a clip show, why spend money on paying Chris Moyles to talk. Why?

pob! How great!

I like how Iain Lee said:

"Anything that's supposed to be wacky or zany should not be on TV."

It's not hypocritical, just a stupid thing to say.

What a complete tosser iain lee is. I do Roland Rat makes an apearance this evening. Otherwise I might have to get the old videos out.

Best thing so far was the break with 7 or 8 Kelloggs ads in a row.

And Pob.

I hope the simpsons isnt to high.

Try repeating Iain Lee's Timmy Mallet outburst, but replacing TM with IL.

Never a truer word spoken.

If there's any kids TV show that deserves a come-back its Roland Rat. There must be someone who can bring him back? Please.

>If there's any kids TV show that deserves a come-back its Roland Rat. There must be someone who can bring him back? Please.


The papers said he was joining Big Breakfast, let's hope they are right!

Oh dear, I think The Simpsons is going to be number one, by way of being the best programme on the list. Never mind that fact that IT ISN'T A KID'S PROGRAMME.

And Swap Shop higher than Tiswas? For shaaaaaame.

>Oh dear, I think The Simpsons is going to be number one, by way of being the best programme on the list. Never mind that fact that IT ISN'T A KID'S PROGRAMME.

Well, it was voted for by the general public, after all. WTF do they know?

Oh and look, Gervaise is the same as his character on The Office...and just as funny.

Quelle suprise!

Friends, could there ever be
A bigger cunt than Iain Lee
Posh, tall, gauntly thin
Mouthy prat and very dim.

>Well, it was voted for by the general public, after all. WTF do they know?

Well, C4 pick the list of 100 programmes, and ask the public to put them in order, so it isn't really a true poll. Statistically, the show at number 100 could be the least popular TV show ever.

Oh, and The Flintstones wasn't a kid's show either. When it started, it was sponsored by a brand of cigarettes, for Cliff's sake.

>
>Well, C4 pick the list of 100 programmes,

Don't you mean they sit in the pub trying to remember 100 programmes. A technique C4 seem to use in all their top ten programmes.

Yes. Or possibly one of those 'trendy wine bars' that the old lady in that bank advert is always on about.

>Yes. Or possibly one of those 'trendy wine bars' that the old lady in that bank advert is always on about.

Wine bars are soooooo '94, we're going for that pleb angle, you know they'll watch any old shit, as long it's formatted into a chart system.

>why spend money on paying Chris Moyles to talk. Why?

There you go, I've removed context from your post. It makes as much, if not more sense now.

BTW, who's the woman with long hair against the blue background? Possibly some journalist from what she said before I went to the pub earlier.

Ah, the Simpsons. Who remembers when the Simpsons was just that shit bit in the Tracy Ullman show?

BTW who were those people talking between the clips?

fuck me, is the simpsons a kids tv show?
ah that explains the time slots and it's origins then.
stupid stupid fuckers

Yup, Simpsons at number one. It seems Sky/Fox/The BBC/whoever still won't let them show clips of any of the better episodes. In effect, we end up getting told it's the best programme ever, with clips of 'Do The Bartman' in the background. Not representative at all.

And if that (and The Muppet Show, and The Flintstones) qualifies, I'm amazed to see that Friends, South Park and Hollyoaks aren't there. And Brass Eye Special.

Oh, 100 greatest films ever. As long as C4 DON'T get to pick the shortlist of 100, it could be slightly interesting.

Oh channel 4, what happened to the following:
Superted,
Bananaman,
Bertha,
Round the Twist,
Orvil + Grotbags or whatever show that was.,

Who actually voted in this thing anyway?

>I like how Iain Lee said:

>"Anything that's supposed to be wacky or zany should not be on TV."

Despite the fact that anything he liked (Crackerjack, The Adventure Game) he called 'wacky'.

Tom and Jerry aren't for kids either. Or television, they were originally theatrical shorts. as was Wallace and Gromit.

Still, look at all the colours in these shows, eh. What must it mean? It can't be because they're designed for young children, it must be because all the characters are on drugs!!!!!! And they're all gay as well!!!!! Aren't I a hoot?

Jesus.

>Oh channel 4, what happened to the following:
>Superted,
>Bananaman_ which was basically the Goodies
>Bertha,
>Round the Twist-Top theme tune (major part of having a good kids tv prog
>Orvil + Grotbags or whatever show that was., Grotbags was the Pink Windmill (& then her own game show
>
>Who actually voted in this thing anyway? The people who get the forms, which usually get printed in TV listing mags, so the readship of TV Crack, then.

Most of the progs I liked were mentioned, except for those educational ones. Remember Wordy, the Boy From Outer Space. & they could have had more Brian Cant, and a mention to the Organ Street Gang.

>Oh, 100 greatest films ever. As long as C4 DON'T get to pick the shortlist of 100, it could be slightly interesting.

I'll be:

3/ Four Weddings and a Funeral
2/ The Full Monty
1/ Star Wars

>

>

>
>Still, look at all the colours in these shows, eh. What must it mean? It can't be because they're designed for young children, it must be because all the characters are on drugs!!!!!! And they're all gay as well!!!!!

Gervaise and Moyles weren't much better. Oh Mr Benn was sad was he? Is that what you really thought?

None of these programmes were that good/bad the only reason we have this awe of them was cos: THERE WAS FUCK ALL ELSE ON AS CHILDREN.

Looking back some of the programmes do hold up:

Dangermouse: Two of Britains top comedy actors (Terry Scott was good!)
The Mr Benns/Sam's Magic Ball/those animated ones: Are very well made and incredibly stylish.

None of this was talked about (well not by the hoard of "TV presenters"), it was just churning out the same old crap jokes we churn out when we're in the pub (or fancy wine bar) and have had a few.

Basically I want to kill Chris Moyles, anyone want to help me

I met grotbags once. Not evil at all

Oh fuck. C4's Greatest site has a banner for 100 greatest films with the ad saying 'Trainspotting? Best film ever?' with a big pic of Ewan MacGregor.

I wonder what will be number one...

I have an ample supply of baseball bats that I've been saving for a job such as this.

And who was that Phythian bird? Every time she appeared, I heard myself saying "for fucks sake". She wasn't serious, was she?

>And who was that Phythian bird?

A writer. With more reason to be appearing than most of the other contributors.

>Every time she appeared, I heard myself saying "for fucks sake". She wasn't serious, was she?

No, she wasn't. Tongue-in-cheek and all that.

>I wonder what will be number one...

If Star Wars is anywhere near number one, I won't be responsible for my actions.



The problem is, it's described as "100 greatest" when it's actually "100 most popular".

Or possibly "100 arranged in an order that most suits C4". I dunno.

Roland Rat IS on the Big Breakfast. This was the case about a month ago, anyways.

>>If there's any kids TV show that deserves a come-back its Roland Rat. There must be someone who can bring him back? Please.
>
>
>The papers said he was joining Big Breakfast, let's hope they are right!
>

>
>>And who was that Phythian bird?
>
>A writer. With more reason to be appearing than most of the other contributors.

She didn't seem to be adding much. More than Gervais, of course.

>>Every time she appeared, I heard myself saying "for fucks sake". She wasn't serious, was she?
>
>No, she wasn't. Tongue-in-cheek and all that.

Thank christ for that. But it wasn't funny or useful either, was it? This is what threw me.

Who can be bothered with Roland the Rat if they aren't off spoofing detective stories and Errol the hamster isn't present. I mean, really!

Do you remember the 70s? I don't.

Worth it for Sweetie and Soup.

That's made me laugh more than anything else this week.

I've just watched it on pause for 10 minutes straight, not stopping laughing.

Swapping head shapes is just funny.

And Rick Jones was great. And Firmin and Anne Wood too. Oh, and laying the Pigwash myth to rest on pub=generation tv was worth doing.

Just a shame there was the occasional lapse into pointless sneering. Most good kids' TV is the product of great craft and skill. The general tone was one of tribute (the ackonwledgement of the enthusiasm of Roy Castle for example was genuine and welcome), it's a shame they felt it necessary to repeatedly descend to cheap stand-up abuse of the "Mr Benn? Wot was all that abaht?" variety.

Overall, a little better than I expected, but still unneccesarily cheapened by "above it all" snideness one clip in five. I mean, I know it's playground trendy to say Blue Peter was sad, but it deserved fuckloads more than a quick shot of a ha-ha-it-went-wrong John Noakes accident. At least they steered clear of the cocking elephant, I suppose...

>Who can be bothered with Roland the Rat if they aren't off spoofing detective stories and Errol the hamster isn't present. I mean, really!

They weren't even showing bits of his show. They were showing bits of him presenting on TV-AM.

Eeeeeeeey, ratfans!!!

>Oh, and laying the Pigwash myth to rest on pub=generation tv was worth doing.

Assuming you meant Pugwash... Gervaise gets shown up to be a liar and/or illinformed idiot. Although, did we really need to see him in action?

I never tire of digging out my Roland Rat video. Some classic sketches with cameos from the likes of Brian Blessed, Boucy off only fools and horses, chris tarrent, etc. Genius.

>Roland Rat IS on the Big Breakfast. This was the case about a month ago, anyways.

And he had a Channel 5 show a year or so back didn't he. So Roland has never been far.

Three and a half hours of shouting obscenities to my telly such as Oi, don't just mention Rentaghost's title and leave it at that. Grrrrrr!

The big Breakfast? Channel 5? The people who loved Roland the first time are now students. We don't get up to watch the Big Breakfast. Put Roland on late nite channel 4!

>The people who loved Roland the first time are now students. We don't get up to watch the Big Breakfast. Put Roland on late nite channel 4!

Roland is enjoyed on all levels by all types of people I'll have you know. If you put Roland on late night 4 I'll come get you while you're sleeping! Late night 4 kills things.

Whenever I watch Tom & Jerry, I'm always struck by the sheer imagination, artistry and wit that goes into the gags/plotting/animation. The same is the case with Roadrunner, amongst others. They're 'dark', but in a good way, and piss all over South Park. But because they don't feature hilarious catchphrases and swearing they're ignored by too much of the population. Tune into Cartoon Network now, over-18s!

Tom & Jerry = godlike genius. Even the much-maligned, later Chuck Jones ones that don't get repeated as often.

> Oh, 100 greatest films ever. As long as C4 DON'T get to pick the shortlist of 100, it could be slightly interesting.

I spoke too soon: http://www.filmfour.com/greatest/

Right, I'm going to start a Top 100 Films Not On That List...

100 Airplane
(to be continued in my own head in periods of inactivity)

99. Horse Feathers
98. The Big Lebowski
97. Blazing Saddles
Blimey, is there no laughter in these people's lives?

If I didn't know better, I'd say they were only shortlisting films that they could flog the video, book or ringtone for. But that would make a cynical, bitter fool. More likely, they've only listed fillums that C4/FilmFour have the broadcast rights to.

It's all been said a thousand times before about these shows, and I notice that having distanced himself from clip shows in a self-mocking gesture for three months now, Stuart Maconie is still writing the fuckers.

Baffling show, which I skimmed on video after the event to make it even more baffling. 'The Simpsons' at number one? Erm, a fundamental error there, as was 'Doctor Who' which was never entirely a kids show anyway. You may as well have 'This Is Your Life' at the top position. Did 'Sesame Street' ever appear? I must have skimmed it.

The Theakston/Maconie links were astonishingly bad, betraying the same old, same old "TV's loads better now, isn't it?" attitude which is rotten at the core.

Conversely, there seemed to be a little bit more breathing space with vox pop selection, although I could be imagining that. Gervais remains inescapable. "Top Cat was street gangs, except they were all cats" prattled the git in mock TV pitching mode. I think you'll find it was based on 'Bilko' and transplanted to the city streets, which would at least have been a *relevant* comment to make, Ricky. The man confused "irrelevant" for "irreverant" some time ago.

Of course there were the usual useless vox pops. Louise was atrocious, as were a million other Theakstonites. Besides them we had interview hacks like Gerry Andersen and Oliver Postgate who both seemed bored by the experience, people like Anna Home who I was delighted to see, but, er, why hold Roy Skelton at gunpoint with George and Zippy toys if you don't shove a Dalek in his hands too, rather than getting Emma Kennedy or whoever to blether on about sofas and stairs? So many squandered opportunities, so many stifling edits.

Of the critics Mark Lawson remains a professional git, whereas Andrew Collins managed to make clear points and never sneer. What a strange mix. Not quite as bad as 'I can't Believe We Watched That' but it has those glitzy ambitions.

I was surprised at how genuine Chris Tarrant was. He really did think Timmy Mallet was a great childrens entertainer.

Which is, of course, true. Not that it'd stopped every other vomiting bollock making sneering comments. Kunz.

1) Sesame Street was about 32nd.

2) Do Not Adjust Your Set was bottom, and they didn't mention Denise Coffey, obviously.

3) Press Gang was about 48th or so, and the only person they spoke to about it was Emma Jones from Smash Hits who aspired to being Lynda Day. How apt, in both senses.

4) Interesting that even the sneering likes of Iain Lee dropped the act when talking about things like Knightmare, thereby showing exactly how old he is. Clearly this was a compilation show aimed at a core audience that will be watching the repeat on E4 in a couple of Saturdays time, no doubt.

5) Every opportunity to shoehorn a sex/drugs/clubbing/debauchery reference into the appalling script was desperately taken, along with any clip where they could take an innuendo-laden phrase and intend to make the audience snigger at the outrageous audacity.

6) As Bent just said, almost no-one had anything of value to say. Collins' view of Noggin The Nog was refreshing, in as much as he cited the eerie, bleak quality of the programme, before readily enthusing about its greatness.

7) Iain Lee clearly hates anyone with a brain. Ditto Lisa Rogers. Ditto Louise Redknapp (nee Nurding) who hated the slowness of Jackanory. Though she's clearly slower.

8) The Simpsons, The Muppet Show, Dr Who, Wallace & Gromit, Tom & Jerry and The Flintstones were never made specifically for children.

9) The reduction of Vision On (visually extraordinary for its time, with a host of creative ideas) to Theakston sniggering at some drawings by five year olds. Oh, I forgot he wasn't a children's presenter anymore. That's why he's allowed to be embarrassed, the twat.

10) The transmission dates for the shows were all over the place. How started in the mid-60s, not 1976.

11) What was the point of including the comedy spoofs of children's programmes? Lack of ideas from the makers, rather than paying tribute to spoof or original show.

12) Producer Lesley Oakden used to work on The Tube. Maybe she's ashamed of that too.

13) Fifteen seconds of Rentaghost?!

14) Blue Peter wasn't that bad.

15) Waste of three and a half hours of my life. Still, everyone at C4, carry on drinking and getting wasted.

By the way, who on Earth is Vernon Kay? Have I missed something vital? A kids TV presenter? I honestly have no idea.

>By the way, who on Earth is Vernon Kay? Have I missed something vital? A kids TV presenter? I honestly have no idea.

Got it in one. T4 and Live and Kicking.

he was a model before he went on TV. he is clearly confused now that he has to speak and also choose his own clothes.

>he was a model before he went on TV. he is clearly confused now that he has to speak and also choose his own clothes.

He walked past my Portakabin in Reading at the weekend. Him and Lars out of Rancid.

Does anyone know if "Additional Material: Paul Rose" was *the* Paul Rose?

>Does anyone know if "Additional Material: Paul Rose" was *the* Paul Rose?

If you're referring to Mr Biffo, probably. Then again, I was too drunk to notice.

>Oh, and The Flintstones wasn't a kid's show either. When it started, it was sponsored by a brand of cigarettes, for Cliff's sake.

I've heard this somewhere else (probably another clips show) and I don't think it's correct. The Flintstones characters were used in a cigarette commercial (after the show became a hit), but I don't think the show was ever sponsored by the brand (the commericals were made in B&W, where as the series was all in colour).

It was shown in prime time though, and billed as a family show. The fact that it's now seen only as a kid show might explain why the Simpsons is also put in this same pigeonhole by daft TV execs...

Does anyone else think it odd that Fred and Barney's wife had properly drawn human eyes, whereas Wilma and Barney just had black dots? What was all that about?

Absolutely, this is why I fancy Betty and not Wilma.

The clips were painfully short, and as for battle of the planets being about number 20 I am flabberghasted.

I missed the first 20 or so but I didn't see any of the following and was expecting to:

Take Hart
Morph
Rod Hull & Emu (the pink windmill show)Runaround
Saturday Banana (with Bill Oddie)
Willo the Wisp
Bod
Me & You
Chocablock
Rolf on Saturday (which I was on once)
Ivor the Engine
Magpie
The Red hand gang
Teabag/Marmalade Atkins
The Flumps
Secret Squirrel
The Hair Bear Bunch
Catch the Pigeon
Wacky Races
The Great Grape Ape
Inch High Private Eye
Undercover Elephant
Screen Test
Pixie & Dixie
Johnny Briggs
Graham's gang
Heidi
Bugs Bunny
Droopy
Road Runner
Rolf's cartoon club for that matter

Admittedly some of these are pants, but there were some severely strange selections in the top 80 that obviously made the cut.

>I didn't see any of the following and was expecting to:
>
>Runaround
Was featured for a few minutes

>Bod
Had a 15-second mention

>The Flumps
Were talked about briefly. I think.

>Catch the Pigeon
Not actually a programme was it?

>Screen Test
Showed both the early version and the later one

Who found that Do Not Adjust Your Set footage? Original VT, not grainy telerecordings...

Things that fuck me off #94: Pseudo 'working-class' contributors claiming they always hated anything vaguely educational (Blue Peter, Newsround) and preferred the edgier stuff on ITV (Tiswas, Magpie). Lying bastards, the lot of them.

>Who found that Do Not Adjust Your Set footage? Original VT, not grainy telerecordings...

It's the one episode that exists complete on the original videotape (the rest are telerecordings), found by one of those Kaleidoscope characters a year or two back.

Quote marks?

>Things that fuck me off #94: Pseudo 'working-class' contributors claiming they always hated anything vaguely educational (Blue Peter, Newsround) and preferred the edgier stuff on ITV (Tiswas, Magpie). Lying bastards, the lot of them.

Was it Moyles who trotted out the "oh god, it was always about monkeys"[or whatever] lie about Newsround? That's blatantly untrue isn't it? Apartheid used to feature regularly for one.

>>I didn't see any of the following and was expecting to:
>>
>>Runaround
>Was featured for a few minutes
>
>>Bod
>Had a 15-second mention
>
>>The Flumps
>Were talked about briefly. I think.
>
>>Catch the Pigeon
>Not actually a programme was it?
>
>>Screen Test
>Showed both the early version and the later one

Blimey I must have been very inattentive, if these weren't in the first 20 they may have been on when I popped out to relieve myself.

Why wasn't Catch the pigeon a programme? surely it was as much of a programme as Wacky races.

>Who found that Do Not Adjust Your Set footage? Original VT, not grainy telerecordings...
>
That was from the episode available for viewing at the NMPFT at Bradford. Same goes for the Pipkins footage. So possibly a researcher used it as a one-stop shop. I was disappointed as I was hoping for some clips I hadn't seen before.

>Why wasn't Catch the pigeon a programme? surely it was as much of a programme as Wacky races.

Cos it was Stop the Pigeon :P

>Was it Moyles who trotted out the "oh god, it was always about monkeys"[or whatever] lie about Newsround? That's blatantly untrue isn't it? Apartheid used to feature regularly for one.

And AIDS, the Challenger Shuttle, Middle East conflict... and in case any smartarse wants to sneer "aaaaaaaaaah, but they only did those sort of things later on", I can vividly recall a report on the Khmer Rouge from 1979. Still, who needs facts when you've got Ricky Gervaise spouting ignorant lies that don't even qualify as jokes?

>>Why wasn't Catch the pigeon a programme? surely it was as much of a programme as Wacky races.
>
>Cos it was Stop the Pigeon :P

And because it was called "Dastardly And Muttley In Ther Flying Machines" and was shown on its own - under that name - on Saturday Mornings on the BBC circa 1978.

Good grief you are absolutely right, I've been wrong all these years!
Which reminds me, Brian Cant revealed that I have also been wrong about the fireman's names (The Pugh twins) all these years too.
Hey ho.

>And because it was called "Dastardly And Muttley In Ther Flying Machines" and was shown on its own - under that name - on Saturday Mornings on the BBC circa 1978.


really? I'm sure that the theme tune was 'Stop the pigeon, Stop the pigeon, stop the pigeon' etc...

maybe it had a Boss Cat style name transformation when it was repeated. Or not.

Nice to see reports on the chart quoting Dangermouse as the top British programme in the 100 - right after The Muppets which has suddenly become American...

The theme tune did go "Stop the Pigeon" but that wasn't the title. In the same way that "Cheers" wasn't called "Sometimes You Want To Go Where Everybody Knows Your Name".

>Saturday Banana (with Bill Oddie)

I was surprised that this didn't get a mention during the 'Metal Mickey' section. Mind you, only one Banana show survives so maybe its fallen behind a cupboard.

Avuncular men standing behind desks. That's the kids' TV I liked.

Where have they all gone?

And also, why is that whenever people are confronted with something imaginative they automatically assume the creators to be on drugs?

And also, why is that whenever people are confronted with something imaginative they automatically assume the creators to be on drugs?

That was the acid house remix of that post.

>>Who found that Do Not Adjust Your Set footage? Original VT, not grainy telerecordings...

>It's the one episode that exists complete on the original videotape (the rest are telerecordings), found by one of those Kaleidoscope characters a year or two back.

I actually saw it twelve years ago, at the NFT. See thread below. Gave me a shock seeing that all the clips were from that one (thought they'd use Do Not Adjust Your Stocking, and the ep shown in TV Heaven 1968), as I was just about to go out: thanks to all previous posters for confirming that the rest of it wasn't worth staying in for.

The Simpsons bits were cut out of The Tracy Ullman show because The BBC felt they were too boring now Auntie Beeb has the nerve to jump around like its the best thing since sliced bread and all their Idea. All these people going "oh no its at number 1" how many of those shows are still going and still better than a lot of the crap on telly and supposedly saved The Fox network. I'd still(despite pretty bad quality episodes recently) see a million episodes of The Simpsons and spot something then a sitcom I can mouth the lines too or think is complete shite. It's not a kids show but its not completely adult either. I personally feel maid marion and merry men didn't deserve to be commisioned let alone included then charting at 21 which I think beat Button Moon!

>The Simpsons bits were cut out of The Tracy Ullman show because The BBC felt they were too boring

Um, they were.

You're all right about adult programmes being classed as kids programmes because of the amount of kids who tuned in...if they had done it completely like that then you would have had to include X Files, Twilight Zone, Red Shoe Diaries, Tales of The Unexpected, 999.... I mean these are the programmes of your childhoods, eh?

I think that those who claim that creative people must be on drugs are doing it to make themselves feel better. If some one is more talented than you, then it's convenient to fool yourself into believing they attained their abilities through "underhand" means.

Desperate... but not serious. :-)

I can't believe Rolf's Cartoon Club didn't get in there. That was brilliant, and educational- is it ok if I type a few nostalgic paragraphs about it?

Rolf was great because we'd learn things from him. Like he'd slow down Chip 'n' Dales speech so that you could hear how the Disney voiceover artists made them sound the way they did (backwards speech sped up by three times) or ask viewers to keep an eye out for the animation errors in the following cartoon ('Did ya see it? Yep, look, if we go frame by frame you can see... whoops! Daffy Duck's head disappears!')

He even taught viewers the difference between the favoured design styles of Disney and studios like MGM and UPA, and then he'd say 'Now see if you can tell which studio did the following cartoon..' and it was a trick! Rolf had screened 'Pigs is Pigs', a Disney cartoon which was done in the MGM style!

He even would show little cartoons that he had made himself and stuff.

Ok, I'll stop now. Stay Tooned was great too. I think maybe the reason they don't get shown anymore is because the bbc and itv no longer have the rights to all those old cartoons, does anyone know what the situation is?

Rolf would also cheat by drawing pictures of Bugs Bunny or the Tasmanian Devil on his sketch board and when he got up to move somewhere else you'd see a paused screen of the cartoon above his desk where he would copy the cartoons from, hack!

Then again, I'm just bitter because I applied for membership about 5 times and never got a reply.

Thoughs were the days! I still do that thing where you fold over a strip of paper and do two pictures, then fold the paper round a pencil and pull it back and forth. The joys!

>Avuncular men standing behind desks. That's the kids' TV I liked.
>
>Where have they all gone?

I think they were all chopped up for firewood.
I don't know what happened to the desks though.

Predictable and obvious, but it's too early in the morning.

The thinking (?) behind the celebs line that all creators of good programmes were on drugs is:

A/ I am a genius and on drugs the whole time

Ergo

B/ any other genius must be on drugs the whole time.

Many of the attitudes and "insights" and "humour" of these talking head celebs date back at least 25 years. Its bizarre watching them proudly bring these pearls of wisdom to the screen as though they're brand new.

What was the last original thought you saw expressed on telly?

>>Well, C4 pick the list of 100 programmes,
>
>Don't you mean they sit in the pub trying to remember 100 programmes. A technique C4 seem to use in all their top ten programmes.

Surely this would leave 90 unused programmes? Seems a bit of a waste of effort. Vodka Red Bull please, cheers!

They think up top 10s, then keep forgetting them. After the 9th time it happens, a good samaritan gives them a pen and paper to write it all down.

I thought Iain Lee wasn't actually THAT bad. He showed genuine enthusiasm for some programmes, and was far less sneery and wankery than he has been in the past. Moyles too; his praise for Jamie and the Magic Torch summed up exactly how I felt about the programme when I was a child.

Also, Top Cat shouldn't have been in the chart as it too was a made-for-adults prime time TV show. And to whoever it was that said that Gervais should have mentioned the Bilko influence (Bent Halo?), he did mention this, to his credit.

I would personally like to thank Mr Maconie for once again helping me to understand which old programmes I should like, and in which order.

He does the same thing on the radio you know - he tells you exactly what records you have to have before you can claim to have a proper CD collection. I used to like OMD! The shame of it!

I used to like Blue Peter too - now I know that would make me a middle class wanker, I can prefer Magpie instead. We all owe him an immense debt.

I watched the show purely as an otaku, so that I could get steamed over how much they slagged anime off. I was pleasantly surprised to see that they ripped the piss out of EVERYTHING, and even acknowledged the maturity of some of the storylines in Gatchman / Battle of the Planets. It's a shame that people slag off the animation quality of Pokemon as it's miled better than most made-for-TV garbage. However, the frame rate was slowed down once by 4Kids in America and then again by CITV in England after the epilepsy scare, so it's kind of understandable. It's not as if we can expect the spiteful twats who own the world to know what they're talking about.

I apologise for making this point to the TV forum as well as the comedy forum, I didn't notice this one until it was too late.

As I mentioned on a previous thread (which I seemed to have killed), the animation on Pokemon is vastly superior to the utter crap of shows like He-Man (tenth? TENTH?) and Scooby Doo.

BTW, was it just me, or did the Top Cat clips seem very crisp and clear? Even as a kid, I remember the BBC tapes being of poor quality.

And the joy of seeing a clip from Micheal Bentine's Potty Time, a forgotten gem!

Incidentally, the Guardian now reports that an interview in Heat with Theakston reveals the cool dude to go round basically slagging off Live And Kicking as "rubbish", even though it was the catalyst for his entire career on television. Still, never mind - he's a presenter for grown-ups now, so that's ok. Aren't children cunts, eh?

>Incidentally, the Guardian now reports that an interview in Heat with Theakston reveals the cool dude to go round basically slagging off Live And Kicking as "rubbish",

Might be a misquote. Interview in the Guardian with Theakston has him saying he thinks *he* was rubbish on L&K.

Dunno why I'm defending Theako, though. Although, on this point, he's right.

>BTW, was it just me, or did the Top Cat clips seem very crisp and clear? Even as a kid, I remember the BBC tapes being of poor quality.

Back then, the BBC were still using celluloid reels that had a) been made cheaply and quickly in the early 1960s b) been used constantly ever since and c) crudely hacked about to turn them into "Boss Cat". I still wince at the memory of that majorly hamfisted edit in the closing credits, complete with ridiculous jump in the theme song.

Hanna-Barbera have since remastered all of their shows from the original negatives. Yay!

> crudely hacked about to turn them > into "Boss Cat".

The Boss/Top Cat thing has confused me intensely since childhood. Could someone please explain what it was all about.

>The Boss/Top Cat thing has confused me intensely since childhood. Could someone please explain what it was all about.

There was a brand of cat food named 'Top Cat' at the time, and the BBC panicked with fear that they might lose their licence if they were seen to be providing inadvertent advertising etc. So they changed the name of the series, making crude and hamfisted cuts to the opening and closing titles. The only thing was, they were still using these prints in the late 1970s and 1980s (and maybe even the early 1990s), by which time the brand in question had long since vanished from the shelves...

>There was a brand of cat food named 'Top Cat' at the time, and the BBC panicked with fear that they might lose their licence if they were seen to be providing inadvertent advertising etc.

Ah-hah. No wonder I had no idea why the damn thing had two names. That really was a source of mystery to me when I was younger. Ta, TJ.

Just remembering David Baddiel's mishearing: 'Close friends get to call him TC/Providing it is whipped in the tea...'.

>>Incidentally, the Guardian now reports that an interview in Heat with Theakston reveals the cool dude to go round basically slagging off Live And Kicking as "rubbish",
>
>Might be a misquote. Interview in the Guardian with Theakston has him saying he thinks *he* was rubbish on L&K.
>
>Dunno why I'm defending Theako, though. Although, on this point, he's right.

He says, and I quote,

"When me and Zoe did Live And Kicking most of the show was terrible editorially. It was rubbish."

Make of that what you will.

Yes. Apologies for Bette Midler on acid. I don't know what I was thinking of. Will "I was drunk" do as an excuse?

>Yes. Apologies for Bette Midler on acid. I don't know what I was thinking of. Will "I was drunk" do as an excuse?

I do wish someone would say "Yeah, I remember that programme. It was mad. Like... oh, I dunno... Timothy Leary on acid"

>He says, and I quote,
>
>"When me and Zoe did Live And Kicking most of the show was terrible editorially. It was rubbish."

Doesn't he also say something along the lines of "Me and Joely Richardson, we're going out together and are very much in love" too?

Cheerio

>Just remembering David Baddiel's mishearing: 'Close friends get to call him TC/Providing it is whipped in the tea...'.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Top Cat! The mossaseptable.
Top Cat! Who's in to let you all.
Close friends get to call him TC,
Pro fighting is whipped in the tea!

>Things that fuck me off #94: Pseudo 'working-class' contributors claiming they always hated anything vaguely educational (Blue Peter, Newsround) and preferred the edgier stuff on ITV (Tiswas, Magpie). Lying bastards, the lot of them.

Agree, but this is a tad broad-brush. I specifically was not allowed to watch Magpie, and always watched Blue Peter, but I watched Tiswas from its earliest days on ATV, and base most of my Swap Shop memories on the 9.30-10.30 slot because nothing would stop me from watching Tiswas at 10.30.

The most controversial Newsround was the Maze prison dirty protests, which (I much later discovered) actually featured on the Nine O'Clock News complete with interviews with aggrieved parents.

The Newsround feature just baffled me at the time. It seemed to feature background characters from Porridge daubing their walls in fashionably brown Berger paint. Little of the maggott strewn horror of it all, and associated diseases.

If anyone's interested:
_____________________________________________

Top Cat - the most effectual
Top Cat - who's intelectual
Close friends get to call him TC
Provid-ing it is with dignity

Top Cat - the indisputable leader of the gang
He's the boss, he's the VIP, He's the
championship
He's the most tip top Top Cat

Yes, he's the boss, he's the king, but above everything
He's the most tip top Top Cat

Or indeed:
____________________________________________

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones
They're the modern stone age family
From the town of Bedrock
There a page right out of history

Let's ride with the family down the street
Through the courtesy of Fred's two feet
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time

Someday, maybe Fred will win the fight
Then the cat will stay out for the night
When you're with the Flintstones
Have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
We'll have a gay old time

And:

Ample parking day or night
People spouting 'Howdy neighbor'

I'm pleased that someone thinks to archive lyric sheets for these things...

Blimey!

I'm goin' down to South Park gonna have myself a time,
(Kyle + Stan) Friendly faces everwhere humble folks without temptation,
I'm goin' down to South Park gonna leave my woes behind,
(Cartman) Ample Parking Day or Night, people spouting, "Howdy, Neighbor"
I'm headin' down to South Park gonna see if I can't unwind,
(Kenny) I like girls with big vagina, I like girls with big fat titties
So come on down to South Park, and meet some friends of mine.

(from http://www.mrhatshellhole.com)

And as Danny Baker often pointed out on his R5 show, the Flintstone's cat only ever featured in the closing titles, never in the show itself.

Maybe that's why Fred was so keen to get rid of it...

"Wilma! What in blue blazes is this sabre toothed tiger doing in our dinette? We don't HAVE a sabre toothed tiger!"