fuck. Sorry to hear it. Don't know what else to say. It's like hearing about a death or something. I've not posted much but I've lurked for a long time.

Thanks for everything, then.

This has made me very sad. SOTCAA is one of the main touchstone I use to keep in touch with world trends of comedy.
I don't know what I shall do in its demise.
I'd love to drink, but am hampered by the tyrannies of distance.
Shall keep in touch (somehow).

Cheers. I think I'll log off now because I'm definitely going to start crying in a minute.

aww nuts.

I have been coming here since Christmas, and i realise it's probably people like me that have caused all of this, but this site has been an eye opener to say the least.

Presuming you have the copyright to the articles and so on, perhaps you should put them up on geocities or one of that ilk.

Velvet, trust me.
It has nothing to do with you.

We'll be back.

That's a shame.

I can't say I've enjoyed the forum much recently, but the site has a whole lot more to it than that, and I was looking forward to the updates.

This is the only site I've found in a good few years of surfing that has really engaged me, and even recently there were still some great contributors to the forum.

So thanks Joe, Mike and Rob - hope to stay in touch one way or another.

Gutted, mates.

I've disagreed as much as I've agreed with The Corpses stand on lots of topics, but this site is one of my favourite things. Full stop. I never thought I'd get into web discussions at all, but this has opened my eyes, and introduced me to loads of good virtual friends.

My bank balance will be happy (I might actually get some work done) but my heart is very sad.

I've never followed the political behind-the-scenes crap, but I'm sorry that whatever has driven Rob to do this has happened. The site didn't deserve to be torn apart so soon.


Right, when are we going to get together and shout about this?

I'm genuinely upset.


Joel x

Shit, and there was me ranting in the pub last nite how SOTCAA was the only reason to go on the net, and how all 'message board'-type sites should use you as a role-model. That'll teach me.

And yes, i did disagree with tonnes of stuff on this site - but that was the point.

We'll meet again...

i know, but some of the newer people have caused trouble with some bizarre emails.

at least i was here before the Observer readers though (joke, although i was)

i'm up for the next drinking session, I think probably Joe (not4SOTCAA) and Peter will be too.

Comiserations everyone - sorry to see this happen. I've been around since January, building up confidence and then posting some utter nonsense. Learnt a lot, wondered aloud at people's taste sometimes, laughed mostly.

I'll be around for drinks if anyone else is.

Mr Mark Discopop

It's all awfully sad. I was just getting to know people, and some of you were beginning to ignore me in a slightly more familiar way.

Hope this all reappears somewhere else soon.

TSMPA

This site was genuinely one of the most interesting sites on the net and it's a real shame that it has to shut down. I don't know the politics, but surely somebody can come to their senses and rescue SOTCAA from its impending closure?
If not, I wish everyone here well and hope another site will crop up on which people with received opinions can be told that they're wrong about everything.

Cheers.

This isn't another wind-up is it?
(A chap could get quite paranoid reading the threads on this site).
If not sorry to see it go, I've been lurking for a long while and contributing occassionally. agreed with a lot, disagreed with a lot but the subject matter was usually worth reading either way.

All the best (and count me in for Drinkies)

>At the moment we don't know anyone with the technical expertise needed to recreate the site elsewhere so it would appear, in the short term at least, that SOTCAA is finished. Our advice - enjoy it while you still got it. The countdown begins.
>

Can the violins, please. Putting together a website is a piece of piss. Admittedly, putting together SOTCAA as the superbly-designed state-of-the-art oil-burning pig that it is would be a rather more advanced enterprise, but people will keep coming even without the Flash and other toothsome gizmos, if the content is good enough.

Can't one of you look into hosting packages while the other learns basic HTML (or gets hold of some form of WYSIWYG web editor like Front Page), so that you can keep a stripped-down version of the site going?

Keeping the forum going like this might be a problem, but couldn't it be reconstituted as a mailing list? Yahoogroups is free and perfectly good.

Come on, chaps. Pull your fingers out, think laterally and be British. Or would you rather stare at your shoes and play on people's sympathy?

With love, respect and support,
L

This feels bad. But it cannot be the end, it can only be the start of something else. Be thou not afraidst.

Maybe it's time for Mike & Joe to become technologically empowered. Learn to upload your own files, take control of the means of er... uploading. Upload stuff. Yeah.

In any case, I'm already (as we speak/type) making a private mirror of the site so I can always consult it the next time I'm watching Blackadder, and will gladly stick it on a free hoster if that's helpful (though I've yet to find one that doesn't mind swearwords. It'll be fun removing the naughty words, like some invisible corporate censor.)

Suggestion: could Rob leave a fitting tribute to the site behind? Maybe a picture of a poppy field...

This is beyond a shame. The site's an extraordinary resource - there's nothing else like it - and for it to be scuppered by personal "issues" is little short of a crime. Plus this forum, for all its faults, has a unique character, and it will be a genuine shame to lose it. (In the absence of any updates, it also seems to have been about the only thing on the site for the last few months that's been heading in any sort of "direction" at all...)

Hope this can get sorted somehow. If not - fuck. (Eloquence abandoned in favour of sentiment.)

I'd not been contributing long, but it was fun living through the 99p Challenge and the BES affair with the people here.

Look forward to seeing you all on another message-board or pub-based real world equivalent sometime soon.

Martin.

>Hope this can get sorted somehow. If not - fuck. (Eloquence abandoned in favour of sentiment.)

Another reminder of the end of Blackadder Goes Forth. 'Made a note in my diary... simply said... "Bugger."'

Hey, LF Barfe, let the people grieve. Some things are worth giving a shit about. Personally I'm quite gutted about this and I think the outpouring here is genuine.

I seem to be the font of all knowledge today, but I think I know someone who has the expertise to keep the site running. He may not be able to host it himself but he will know people that can. Do you want to mail me at the address I posted up on the Nestle thread if you are interested and I'll get you together.

I did hear about all this last night but I thought it was just another joke.

Where from, Janet?

Jayne, I meant Jayne...
(sorry)

I'll miss it. I've only recently de-lurked myself, and I never contributed half as much as I'd have liked to - I was generally too busy reading through all the articles and forum postings because it was all pretty worthwhile and interesting opinion.

Hopefully one day I'll get the chance pick all the fights I always meant to. Thanks to Joe, Mike and Rob for the best timewaste on the web.

>Hey, LF Barfe, let the people grieve.

Let them grieve for something that isn't dead yet, and which if the Corpses put a modicum of effort into saving it rather than throwing their hands up and admitting defeat, wouldn't die anyway?

> Some things are worth giving a shit about.

Indeed. Which is why I posted what I did. No-one's going to get anywhere by sitting around moping.

> Personally I'm quite gutted about this and I think the outpouring here is genuine.
>

Yes, indeed, but see above.

Hi - I just wanted to pay my respects.

This has always been my favourite site on the internet and I've been an avid fan since its very inception all those year and a bit ago. I only came to the forum last autumn when the main site wasn't there and I was a lurker for ages. I only just tentatively started posting quite recently.

Anyway I just wanted to say thank you a million times over for opening my eyes to some fantastic comedy and music - truly life enriching stuff. And obviously thanks for the well written and thought provoking articles.

This forum is still one of the greatest on the net and there are some very warm, friendly and intelligent people on it.

All the best for the future

Daniel

Kip - I heard it from someone in the Courtyard at the Pleasance last night, but as I don't know any of the people involved, I just thought it was a bit of a joke.

Shame though I really like this forum.

And Danny Wallace has gone too.
Coincidence or something more sinister.

I'm sure you guys will manage to get the info up elsewhere.

But I'll miss this wonderful and ridiculous site in the mean time

My 'favourites' bar will forever have a gap where SOTCAA was.

I wasn't much of a contributor, but it was my startup page, my daily visit, my always-recommended.

It shall be terribly missed up here in my little corner of Yorkshire. Where now for my Londo-centric mediafix?

"I miss your soup, and I miss your bread, but a letter from you doesn't mean you're not dead"

So long and thanks for all the fish.

But I'm sure the adventure WILL continue. What would Morris do without it?

Can me and Ignatius J Reilly come to the do? (but we may be too scared to talk to anyone and may have to wear name tags).

"I miss your soup
and I miss your bread
But a letter in your writing
Doesn't mean you're not dead."

(c) Baby Faced Truck Driver Man


We may be down, but we can still be pedantic.

It was always our most consistent quality.




BTW, we all want a drink. We know it'll be at The Yorkshire Grey, can someone Corpsey suggest a day?

J x

This is a fantastic site and I really hope you don't lose all the great writing and edit info, not to mention the many gigabytes of argument and abuse that come from this forum.
I'm sure you'll be able to find somewhere else to host the site. I will ask around. You do a good job as the watchdogs of quality, even if you do savage the occassional innocent passerby.
I hope the occasional arguments and name-calling on this forum didn't have anything to do with the shutdown.

Nooooo!

SOTCAA: Teacher, mother, (secret lover?)

This site has been nothing but enlightening since I discovered it in February. I hope you manage to resurrect it in someway.

Relevant "The Day Today" quote: "We're with you every step of the *bloody* way"

Gutted.

This site has opened my eyes to a lot of wonderful things, and changed my stubborn little mind about a few others. I just wish I had the means to help find a new home for it, but I only know how to switch this thingy on and off, and sometimes I even fuck that up. Still, there's got to be some kind techy soul out there...

All the best to all involved, and thanks for putting it up in the first place.

x

This is awful. Will the forums stay open, or will we be forced to take residence on the Paintbox Message Board again?

I'm absolutely gutted. There's nothing like SOTCAA anywhere else on the internet. I can honestly say that because of this site I've gained a deeper understanding of comedy and learned to criticise what I see on TV rather than just accepting it. Now I feel guilty that I should have contributed more than just a few throwaway comments on the forum.

PHIL'S BRAIN: Aw, you don't wanna know what I really think. Now just look sad and say "Doh."

Fuck this, why don't you just stick in in Geocities or somewhere, temporarily. The world must have Corpses. Amusing ones at that.

This is bloody disappointing, frankly. And I can't help but feel mildly responsible.

If there IS anyway it can be resurrected, or even continue to be surrected (?), please take the chance.

It was, and still is, smashing, though. Cheers to all involved.

bad news, and more bad news, sorry to hear that, even if i did call you a fucker Joe, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate this site and the material articles herein. I take it, that it isn't simply a cas eof finding a new host? Is the forum generated by a bespoke system or by Rob? If I can help in any way (technical or hosting) email me.
hc@retardis.com

If the worst happens i'm sure we could set up an egroup to call each other wankers in.
As a relative outsider I feel for you guys, it's a shame to see such effort just cease to be.
Kind Regards
Chris

This is sad news indeed. SOTCAA is the first site I go to every day, and indeed it boasts the only forum where the decent people outnumber the idiots.

The whole site will be greatly missed - I learned a lot from you, and discovered some great comedy that I would otherwise never have got to hear or see.

Thanks to all of you - I hope you'll be back soon.

Fuck off and good riddance, you bunch of cunnies.

Only joking. Or am I? No I'm not. FUCK OFF!

No. Only joking.

No I'm not. FUCK OFF!

I'm kidding, really.

FUCK OFFFFF!

No. Just my little joke.

Like fuck it is. Fuck OOOFFFF!

I'll miss you (ish).

That's the truth.

Good Bye
xxx

Shit, I'd only just started coming to this site (a regular on the TV Forum, is it closing too? I've heard it is) but it was already becoming a firm favourite for some sensible analysis of comedy rather than the usual.

Keep edit news going. Fuck, keep the whole thing going.

From a very sad, depressed TWO ident
:o(

just to add my name to the growing list of mourners, i loved this forum and the rest of the intelligent, informative and often wrong headed articles on the site. surely it can't be too hard to put it up somewhere else? Rob please reconsider. why not just leave the site in it's current state, at least until it finds a new home.

I wouldn't mind as much but for the state comedy is in at the moment.

Still, know what they say, corpses never die.

They just rot.

Will we get to see any of the update?

God, I'm sorry. Just when I'm about to be chucked out of my flat, two friends of mine are about to lose their jobs and I still can't get one, now this. August is truly the cruellest month. Take care of yourselves, whatever happens.

Searching for 'fuck'...
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Really enjoyed this site, sorry to hear the nes. But I'm sure it'll continue one way or another.

According to Rob the TVF is to stay.
He posted in the TVF about an hour ago, but none of you have picked up on it, at least it would appear you haven't.

Anyone remember Dudley Moore's preferred tomb stone engravement from the Obiturary Show (Channel 4, 199-mid to late): "He died and rose again". Ok, SOTACAA, Adopt, Adapt and Improve, and cut the weepy, moany, wailing shit. I need someone to bitch and moan to in the peace and comfort of my own vomit. So get it togther! Or if not (lazy cunts), you should make the whole site downloadable for vital achieval reference. There's too much to lose. Wakey, wakeeeey! and Good luck.

if there is one thing we must have before the site disappears it's a long opinionated BES article and edit news. won't somebody please think of the children!

>Ok, SOTACAA, Adopt, Adapt and Improve, and cut the weepy, moany, wailing shit.

SOTACAA? My mistake but fuck it, you've got you're new name: Some Of The Anal Corpses Are Amusing. Take that in the right spirit for god's sake.

God, I'll miss you most of all, Scarecrow.

Aw fuck.

I think it was an article in the Grauniad a while ago that alerted me to this site. All I can think of is the last Mark n Lard last night time show - aye, you really won't miss it til it's gone.

Nuts.

yes we are awarte of what is goign on

aware

gas botelr whre are you?

okayyyyy.

So if the demise of this place is inevitable where is everyone going to hang around?

I assume not Notbbc.

A former wallflower, this news finally coaxed me into participating.
I will miss you all, especially Smeraldina - the voice of reason.

In the mean time couldn't you keep the spirit alive by moving the forum to a free forum host such as http://www.ezboard.com/ http://www.hotboards.com/ http://www.boardhost.com/ etc until you find new webspace? Be a shame to see you vanish completely, even for just a short time.

www.everyone.net is okay as well, i've been on forums that have used that before and it is quite simple, plus people can have accounts and i think it is possible for people to reciev e private messages as well.

A shame. But surely the most logical course of action is to transfer the content of the site to some free host, and everyone to bundle into the near deserted TV Forum?

Hey, isn't Will and Grace kinda kooky and stuff?

Oh no, I'm running out of SOTCAA already...

>A shame. But surely the most logical course of action is to transfer the content of the site to some free host, and everyone to bundle into the near deserted TV Forum?

bizzare y6ou should say that, cos i was just checking it out, i don't normally, as i don't understand the glories of testcards and the like (but each to his/her own eh?)

Do our account passwords work there?

Loved the archived list of "fucks".

How about we prepare another one of the moments where the embittered writers of this site have their heads rammed firmly and myopically up their arses?

Sorry, that might take up too much space. Get a life everyone, it is just a website. Not the end of the world.

Bollocks. And I'd just discovered the site as well. Sorry to hear it, and hope someone else offers to host the site.

Bummer.

>Get a life everyone, it is just a website. Not the end of the world.

I have a life that takes up approximately the other 23.5 hours of each day when I am not at this forum.

I know it is a website. I access it via a web browser.

I didn't say it was the end of the world. I am convinced that I, and the rest of the world, will still exist after the site has been closed.

Joe and Mike's announcement just seemed to be the appropriate time to express a few words of appreciation.

What's wrong with that exactly?

Damn! I love this site. I found out about this through cookdandbombd. The quality and audacity of the essays blew me away. It was nice to virtually meet a few Frank Zappa fans on this site. I learnt a lot. I like having my mind opened and my preconceptions challenged. I also found out about up and coming comedy shows that never got the Radio Times hype. Thanks to this website I stopped buying that rag. One of the shows was 'Tonight Little Britain'. Amongst my favourite threads was 'Attention Scum'. Even though I may have disagreed with you I admired the fact that you had the courage of your convictions. Whether it be saying the Brass Eye Special' was rubbish or that the first episode of 'Two Pints of Larger and a Packet of Crisps' was quite good. It was an eyeopener reading about the pilot episode of The Black Adder. I am off to Holland with my fiancee at the end of next week and I will be upset if I click on notbbc/corpses and find Error 404. I also liked seeing programmes that I remembered but have been ignored by twats in television, such as 'Happy Families'. If you excuse me I am going to print off some corpse articles. Thanks for putting up with my plebby ignorant stupidity. If you see a six foot three chap with white skin, dark hair, deep voice, leather jacket, possibly a Beefheart or Zappa or PJ Harvey or Mike Keneally t-shirt and leather jacket come up to you ask if you are either Mike Fox or Joe Champniss don't run like fuck. It'll be me. Then again it'll probably be wise to run.

Ditto what everyone else has said. I'm tired and grumpy and now just a little depressed as well. Ah well.

I know I'm not just speaking for myself when I say as the most popular contributor I'm going to be missed by everyone. Though I've had many disagreements with some of you I just like to say, nothing's forgiven. You're all cunts. But having said that, if you're having a goodbye drink (and it's not too far) I'll definitely be there poncing drinks and riffling through unguarded handbags.


Thanks Rob, Joe and Mike.

Penis shaped sound waves

The aforementioned sound wave is actually in the brasseye special, it sounds off in this part of the show:

brasseye…………………………………………..

Oh, sod it! May cherubim and seraphim sing you sweetly to your rest. Come back soon, eh?

Jeez, and I just clicked on to SOTCAA to cheer myself up after a crappy day. Oh, the horrors of self-doubt and procrastination. And I only started posting messages about 10 days ago. I didn't even mind the fact that my postings seemed to kill off the threads they were posted on. Where am I going to talk to Jac and RHC about Jane Austen? Ditto Dr Who with Jake Thingy and Bent Halo? Not only that, but Ollie has pinced the line from The Simpsons I wanted to use.

Come to think of it, I'm probably one of the reasons why SOTCAA is being killed off. Sorry.

Please keep going somehow!

This was one of the best sites - and forums - on the internet. Until recently I've been just a lurker, but I will miss the discussions as much as anyone.
Please get a new board or eGroup and I'd love to see the updated articles.

Wow. And to think if I would have got my Reading tickets sooner, than I would never have known. I've said it before and I'll say it again I lvoe this site. From it's eye-opening essays to the contradicting arguments and in-jokes, it was all good. One of the most strangely happy moments in life is the first time people acknowledge you on a forum, as happened to me here.

but most of all I'm gutted cause I didn't go to the last meet, can't make on in the too near future, and so was hoping for this place to last at least another year.

Ah well off to mope around the paintbox than.

cheers. Stocky

I assume that most of the above posters, like myself, check the site for a bit when they check their e-mails everyday. I've got myself into quite a bit of a rut doing this, and...well, I don't mind that to be honest.

After knowing about this site for ages, I got into it a couple of months ago and I spent about two whole days reading all of it. I'm now I'm going to have to print the whole bastard thing. This site has singlehandedly (sic?) got me back in to comedy after a long hiatus...I used to enthuise greatly about The Day Today, Lee & Herring, R&M and the CM music show as a just-post-pubescent fan, but apart from the occasional Armistice or Blue Jam and stuff I couldn't be arsed with comedy for years until this site prompted me to dig out all my old tapes...and to go on a quest to find all the stuff I don't have.

We must keep this site online. What we must NOT do is cop out and go for an e-groups type thing or worse, a mailing list. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we have to accept such sub standard shit...put it this way, we should not be cut down to Brass List size. Oh fuck no.

Also, the guy who does www.reddkross.com once offered me unlimited webspace for my site, so why not contact him. He is Australian, but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Check it out.

Paul Kelly
http://drink.to/odessa
http://come.to/crambo

P.S. I'm Alan Partidge was as good as KMKYWAP and BES was even better. This not an opinion, it is a FACT. YOu twats.

Sob.

After a year of fun for me, the internet has become a very large waste of space again. Oh well.

PJ

>After a year of fun for me, the internet has become a very large waste of space again. Oh well.
>
>PJ

a large waste of space the size of ireland.

For God's sake RobS, kill it now.. if only to end this nauseating thread.

>For God's sake RobS, kill it now.. if only to end this nauseating thread.

Hey, it's another troll. You're all too late fuckwits, the sites closing. Take your social inadequacies elsewhere.

Fucking vultures.

I suppose it's too late to ask for a password to get rid of these annoying quotes, then?

Seriously, what would you need to keep SOTCAA running? Someone with web skills? Money for a server? Both? I'm sure (well, not sure, but hopeful at the very least) that both of these can be found through the forum people.

I refuse to believe that SOTCAA will be disappearing forever. Yes, it's "only a website". But an example of how good the internet could be if most people who create websites actually gave a shit about what they do.

It's the end... but the moment has been prepared for.

Best site on the net - always was and will be again, I have no doubt. Can I just extend my thanks to Joe, Mike, Bent Halo, Bean and all the others who have made this site so thought-provoking, challenging, witty and fun. Also, thanks to everyone who has participated in the forum debates - it's been real.

I will gladly join you guys for drinks and we'll toast the new SOTCAA that will rise from the ashes of this one.

Oh dear, this is all getting needlessly messianic. Good luck everyone and I'll see you on the beach... er, the TV Forum.

Oh... and thanks to Rob for putting up with us all for so long.

In a word: shit. I've been reading SOTCAA (and occasionally posting, under a series of badly conceived pseudonyms) for a stupid amount of time, and it's impeding disappearance is going to leave a small, but significant hole in my time. It's been a treat to find a web forum so (relatively) free of idiots (see any newsgroup to see how rife idiocy *can* be on the net).

Speaking of newsgroups (and possibly compeletely at odds with what I've just said), couldn't a stopgap measure be to move into an empty tv-related newsgroup to carry on with discussions (using google groups if necessary)? alt.tv.mork-n-mindy seems to be empty (2 posts ever according to google). Just my tuppence.

Goodbye SOTCAA. I would have spent more time at work browsing you, but you didn't look enough like an Excel document for me to get away with it.

On a positive note, that's the first time I've ever seen the redname "Joe+Mike4SOTCAA" and it looks lovely up there. Maybe they could get married, or at least have a two headed suit made?

Spent a bit of time on different newsgroups / chat fora yesterday to see what it's like, and I can now report back that the internet is every bit as awful and fractious and dumb as I used to think it was before I found SOTCAA.

We've never had a single fundamentalist Christian on here, for instance. That's something worth celebrating, isn't it?

>. I didn't even mind the fact that my postings seemed to kill off the threads they were posted on. Where am I going to talk to Jac and RHC about Jane Austen?

I talk about Austen in many many places. And I'm not bad at killing threads either. "Why don't we get together and call ourselves an institute..."

>We've never had a single fundamentalist Christian on here, for instance.

Apart from RHC.

Anyway:

http://sotcaa.no-frills.net/corpses/

(Note the cheeky tooltip on the forum link.)

Shame about the adverts.

Ahh! There are more adverts every time I look at it!

Okay, sod that.

"The page or file you are looking for (http://sotcaa.no-frills.net/corpses/) is not here.

"Possible Reasons:
"* You may have spelled the URL incorrectly.
"* This site may have been removed due to a violation of the No-Frills.net Free Web Space "Acceptable Use Policy".
"* This site may have been moved to a different server..."

This is great! More of this sort of thing, please.

>>For God's sake RobS, kill it now.. if only to end this nauseating thread.
>
>Hey, it's another troll. You're all too late fuckwits, the sites closing. Take your social inadequacies elsewhere.

Shut your mouth, twat. I happen to think this site is brilliant, but I can't stand the obsequious outpouring of sentiment on this thread. It's as if Diana died in the first post and you're all clamouring to grieve.

>Shut your mouth, twat. I happen to think this site is brilliant, but I can't stand the obsequious outpouring of sentiment on this thread.

Then go to another thread.

>This is great! More of this sort of thing, please.

It was just a copy of the whole site, but then... then the adverts came.

http://www.geocities.com/pewteroboe/

You got that in a format my computer can play?

(Hint: MP3, RealAudio, .wav, .aiff - basically anything that isn't just for Windows. What the hell is .wma anyway?)

>I don't know what I shall do in its demise.

Perhaps you will discover a liberated world where you are allowed your own opinions. I asked my friend Ted at work, and he told me that I think this.

Goodbye SCROTAA, sorry you never managed to get that TV show you so desperately wanted.

John Walker

>You got that in a format my computer can play?

It's an mp3 now.

SOTCAA going? sad news. Easily the best website on the net {and also, on occasion, the most opinionated and arrogant-part of its skewiff charm, I suppose}.

SOTCAA going? sad news. Easily the best website on the net {and also, on occasion, the most opinionated and arrogant-part of its skewiff charm, I suppose}.

....I hadnt bloody finished!
I was also going to describe it as a haven of genuinely stimulating intellectual debate, thoughtful and heartfelt criticism not only on comedy, but important issues of the day, and a place for laff-out-loud wit.

And a place for tossers like me to come out with half-baked smartarse comments.

BTW, You cant get a decent internet cafe for sloppy snogs nor money in fucking Sevenoaks.Bah!

Hopefully, something can be done about maintaining this smart site. Id miss all you lot if it were to go.Ah, well.

I like chips in......no, I cant, I just cant....

Rite. Ill have to nick all the info and make a site of my own with the same info. lol

(outside, they all line up as the shelling stops)

TJ: Listen! Our guns have stopped.

Mike: You don't think...?

Bent Halo: Maybe the war's over. Maybe it's peace!

Mike: Well, hurrah! The big knobs have gone round the table and yanked the iron out of the fire!

TJ: Thank God! We lived through it! The Great SOTCAA war: 2000-2001.

Mike: Hip hip!

All but Joe: Hurray!

Joe: (loading his revolver) I'm afraid not. The guns have stopped because we're about to attack. Not even Rob Sedgebeer is mad enough to shell his own men. He thinks it's far more sporting to let Simon Pegg do it.

Mike: So we are, in fact, going over. This is, as they say, it.

Joe: I'm afraid so, unless I think of something very quickly.

Rob S: Company, one pace forward!

(everyone steps forward)

Bent Halo: Ooh, there's a nasty splinter on that ladder, sir! A bloke could hurt himself on that.

Joe: A fine piece of whimsy, Bent Halo, but rather weaker than the rest of the series, and jars with the sentimental tone.

Rob S: Stand ready!

(everyone puts a foot forward)

Bent Halo: I have a point to make, sir.

Joe: Really, Baldrick? A cunning and subtle one?

Bent Halo: Yes, sir.

Joe: As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Bent Halo: Yes, sir.

Rob S: On the signal, company will advance!

Joe: Well, I suppose we've got time.

Bent Halo: Well, sir, I just wanted to argue that this is an overlong and pointless post which essentially makes the same point that all the other messages have!

Joe: You're right. It's hypocritical, too.

Joe: Good luck, everyone. (blows his whistle)

(Everyone yells as they go over the top. German guns fire before they're even off the ladders. The scene changes to slow motion,
and explosions happen all around them. [An echoed piano slowly plays the SOTCAA theme.] The smoke and flying earth begins to obscure
vision as the view changes to the battlefield moments later: empty and silent with barbed wire, guns and bodies strewn across it. [A bass drum beats slowly.] That view in turn changes to the same field as it is today: overgrown with grasses and flowers, peaceful, with chirping birds.)

Nice one, Rob.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

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vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Look, everyone!

Frogger!

At the risk of this board sounding repetitive (not to mention obsequious), this is an important site for those who love comedy. I'm quite new to it, but I've grown to love it. Not many sites are as informative, or make you think so hard.

Please find somewhere else to put it, or I think evil might triumph. Or, at least, the Vicar of Dibley might win more awards. If this site was American. Will & Grace would have been living together up their own arses for some time.

>Perhaps you will discover a liberated world where you are allowed your own opinions. I asked my friend Ted at work, and he told me that I think this.
>
>Goodbye SCROTAA, sorry you never managed to get that TV show you so desperately wanted.
>
>John Walker

God's arse, Walker. Were you born a pretentious cunt or did you take lessons?

I guess I should add my commiserations, being the man who was once a cunt. I have yet to read a good reason for shutting the site down though. Have I missed an official statement from RobS? (I met him at the Soho Theatre and he seemed like a supremely nice man. Maybe he was smiling like a shark smiles.)

Cut off a worm's head and another grows in its place. I bet.

> Have I missed an official statement from RobS?
>

No.

> (I met him at the Soho Theatre and he seemed like a supremely nice man.
>

He is.

> Maybe he was smiling like a shark smiles.)
>

No, he's lovely.

Just to make clear, passwords can be used throughout the NotBBC fora including TV Forum.

>>I guess I should add my commiserations, being the man who was once a cunt.

I'm sorry I called you that now.

>>>I guess I should add my commiserations, being the man who was once a cunt.
>
>I'm sorry I called you that now.

Hey, it's like being on a plane that's going down and we're all being nice to each other. It's the best Brass Eye-style hoax ever! Well done, Joe and Mike!

>>. I didn't even mind the fact that my postings seemed to kill off the threads they were posted on. Where am I going to talk to Jac and RHC about Jane Austen?
>
>I talk about Austen in many many places. And I'm not bad at killing threads either. "Why don't we get together and call ourselves an institute..."

Well, I had a discussion about Austen in Cromer today. How about we go there?

>Well, I had a discussion about Austen in Cromer today. How about we go there?

Mmm, I fancy some crabs.

I went on holiday to Sheringham every year until I was 18. Amazing.

Rob may want it off NotBBC, fair enough if he's got his reasons, but there's no reason why the site can't continue elsewhere, even if in a totally different form with the same text. No need for it to die off totally, there are weirdos like me with too much spare time who'll gladly pick up the baton and leg it off out of the arena, if wanted - put something back, as it were. The Corpses can get in touch when they've decided on any future direction - if they want, of course. Your call, folks - radical_posture@yahoo.co.uk

We'll be meeting up in the week to discuss where to go next. We've had some very very generous offers from various people already. We'll be sending out a mailshot to everyone who contacted us at the Yahoo address soon.

Cheers.

Tidy stuff. Hope you get sorted out.

This is fucking sad news. Hope you get back online shortly, this is one of a mere handful of websites I would really miss.

I like SOTCAA.

But then again, I like Hippies, the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth, I'm Alan Partridge, Time Gentlemen Please, Brass Eye Special and countless other things, so what do I know?

I agree and disagree with you guys constantly, often in the same sentence. You'll be missed, whatever direction you were heading in.

If nothing else, can you slap all the articles on a Geocities site or something in the meantime?

Fucking hell. This is awful.

Kind of ironic that you're 'repeating' the Edinburgh fringe listings soon, as that was how I found the site in the first place last summer.

No website has intrigued and interested me as much as yours. I hope you find a new home for it soon.


love

Mark

I have not contributed as much to this forum as I would have liked, but I would like to say how sorry I am that it is to be no more. In this ignorant and insular 'information-age' it has been nothing short of inspirational to read postings from a wide range of people who possess a deep love and knowledge of comedy, in combination with an ability to treat it seriously without intellectualising it away. Sorry if that sounds at all pompous or like a school report, but I just wanted to let you know. So, thanks, and try and be back soon.

And we think to ourselves .....
What a wonderful fucking world .



we'd just like to thank the music press for being behind us all the way . in fact so far fucking behind us they've only just discovered mod .


this is only the beginning , we shall grow stronger , and we shall emerge to take our place as the rightful rulers of the universe !!!


until that day , there must be no tears , no regrets , simply go forward in all your beliefs , and prove to me that i am not mistaken in mine

Get a grip, people As I understand it, the Corpses have been inundated with offers of help, so it seems likely the site will stay one way or another. The fact that they haven't gone out of their way to point out this positive outcome suggests that they're having a whale of a time milking your collective sympathy. Suckers.

And if they chose to get off their arses and got proactive, they wouldn't need any external help keeping the site online.

Christ on a tandem...

(Grabs Barfe's hand) Let it OUT, man! Don't bottle up the love!

>(Grabs Barfe's hand) Let it OUT, man! Don't bottle up the love!
>

In the words of Nick Lowe, I've got the love, but I felt that the mewling and puking denizens of this thread needed a reality check. The site hasn't gone, it'll probably survive anyway, and yet everyone's in a worse state than if their beloved granny dropped off the perch.

For the record, I think this site has done a lot of good to raise the standard of grass-roots comedy criticism. However, I'm slightly more confident than most posting in this thread that it will continue to do so.

All this idiotic Diana-style mourning will get us precisely nowhere.

>For the record, I think this site has done a lot of good to raise the standard of grass-roots comedy criticism.

Now you're getting it, more of that please!

>Now you're getting it, more of that please!
>

So, you're requesting more grinning coat-hanger-in-gob praise for a site that exists to promote deeper criticism? Bit of a paradox, if you ask me.

To go further, it is perfectly possible to think that the site has done a lot of good, but also to think that the Corpses, for all of their willingness to propound strident opinions on matters comedic, are lazy, fear-filled sods who seem to think that they need their hands held when it comes to HTML and - omigod, panic attack! - using a modem to upload stuff to the site. Any gibbon can do it, and if you look at the web, it seems that most gibbons do.

I'm just trying to give them and the mourners (you in particular, Peter), a friendly and constructive kick up the arse.

Louis x

>To go further, it is perfectly possible to think that the site has done a lot of good... also to think that the Corpses... [with] their willingness to propound strident opinions on matters comedic, are... using a modem to upload stuff to the site... friendly and constructive...

Thank you for your testimony, LF, keep it coming.

>Thank you for your testimony, LF, keep it coming.
>

Have you ever worked on the preparation of billboards for West End shows?

>Have you ever worked on the preparation of billboards for West End shows?

"I'm just... a friendly... arse" - LF Barfe

>"I'm just... a friendly... arse" - LF Barfe
>

Aye. That just about covers it. In fact, I regard it as a compliment.

>the Corpses... sods who seem to think that they need their hands held when it comes to using... most gibbons... up the arse.
>
>Louis x

I think that kind of slander is unnecessary.

Louis,

A few points...

Criticism does not mean "be negative towards something". Criticism is about expressing a balanced view about the pros and cons of a thing. If there are more cons than pros, so be it.

I see where you're coming from with your criticism about this thread and indeed webpages are piss easy to do. It's just that your average person couldn't knock up pages of this standard. I know I couldn't and I ran a website for 4.5 years.

I'm not suprised that Mike and Joe find the task a little daunting, given that they know little about html and things. But they are doing something about it and have already made a good start. They can tell you all about that themselves when they're ready.

If people want to say "well I'm disappointed that SOTCAA will be down for a bit" than that's fine. I will be too. And so will you probably. But you are right to point out that it will be back. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.

A wise man once said, "All good things must pass",
It's been the theme of many singers,
But 'goodbye' is the hardest word to say,
So let's just say 'Kinda Lingers'...

I never thought it would end like this,
Saying 'Kinda Lingers' and then walking away,
But at least it's better than saying goodbye,
'Cos goodbye is the hardest word to saaaay...

Thanks Joe, Mike, Rob and all the other people whose posts I've variously enjoyed, disagreed with and occasionally replied to.

See you on the other side.

>Louis,
>
>A few points...
>
>Criticism does not mean "be negative towards something". Criticism is about expressing a balanced view about the pros and cons of a thing.
>

I know. I was under the impression that was what I was doing in this instance.

>I see where you're coming from with your criticism about this thread and indeed webpages are piss easy to do. It's just that your average person couldn't knock up pages of this standard.
>

Well, no, but as we know that Rob is far from average. One of my points, however, is that with this site, the content is the important part.

> I know I couldn't and I ran a website for 4.5 years.
>

I've been running one for about the same time, and I know I couldn't too. The thing is that you don't have to, and I'm worried that Mike and Joe are building the Flash side of things up more than they need to. If they did the whole thing themselves, it might not look so zippy, but wouldn't it be liberating for them?

>I'm not suprised that Mike and Joe find the task a little daunting, given that they know little about html and things.
>

Joe certainly has the time to bone up on it, and in his position as long-term unemployed, I daresay Pauline at the Job Club would be only too keen to organise oodles of free tuition in web design for him.

> But they are doing something about it and have already made a good start. They can tell you all about that themselves when they're ready.
>

That's encouraging.

>If people want to say "well I'm disappointed that SOTCAA will be down for a bit" than that's fine.
>

If it had been that, it would have been fine, but it was the mass outpouring of overblown grief that had me reaching for the sickbag. Especially when it looks like there will be a happy ending.

> I will be too. And so will you probably.

Definitely.

> But you are right to point out that it will be back. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.
>

Indeed. Thank you for one of the few sensible postings to appear in this thread.

Louis

>>Criticism does not mean "be negative towards something". Criticism is about expressing a balanced view about the pros and cons of a thing.
>
>I know. I was under the impression that was what I was doing in this instance.

I think I slightly misread what you were saying above. Sorry about that.

>>I see where you're coming from with your criticism about this thread and indeed webpages are piss easy to do. It's just that your average person couldn't knock up pages of this standard.
>
>Well, no, but as we know that Rob is far from average.

Quite.

>One of my points, however, is that with this site, the content is the important part.

I agree. And that was the philosophy I worked on when I ran The Goodies Rule - OK! website. The thing was, as soon as someone more technically ept that me took it over and reduced the content but put in lots of flash things people started saying "this site looks a lot better". I was a little hurt by this.

But looking at the internet in general, I think people prefer style over content, as long as it doesn't take too long to load. Mind you, SOTCAA is a different beastie and a simpler site could work just as well. As long as there was still some kind of forum or interactive/reader's views section.

>> I know I couldn't and I ran a website for 4.5 years.
>
>I've been running one for about the same time, and I know I couldn't too. The thing is that you don't have to, and I'm worried that Mike and Joe are building the Flash side of things up more than they need to. If they did the whole thing themselves, it might not look so zippy, but wouldn't it be liberating for them?

As I understand it, they mainly deal with the content and Rob S makes it look pretty. The only way Mike and Joe make things look flashy is when they do an animation and even I could put one of those up on the web!

>>I'm not suprised that Mike and Joe find the task a little daunting, given that they know little about html and things.
>
>Joe certainly has the time to bone up on it, and in his position as long-term unemployed, I daresay Pauline at the Job Club would be only too keen to organise oodles of free tuition in web design for him.

Well that's something for him to consider.

>>If people want to say "well I'm disappointed that SOTCAA will be down for a bit" than that's fine.
>
>If it had been that, it would have been fine, but it was the mass outpouring of overblown grief that had me reaching for the sickbag. Especially when it looks like there will be a happy ending.

Yes, the fact that people are still posting messages along the line of "so long, fair friend" is odd. They clearly haven't read this entire thread. Mind you, it is rather long.

>> But you are right to point out that it will be back. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.
>
>Indeed. Thank you for one of the few sensible postings to appear in this thread.

And thank you too.

Aaahhhhh, isn't this all cuddly?

>But looking at the internet in general, I think people prefer style over content, as long as it doesn't take too long to load.

Style doesn't have to mean Flash, though. Google has one of the simplest web pages in existence, and yet it's one of the most popular sites. The most important thing is the graphical design (and SOTCAA's is pretty good).

>I think I slightly misread what you were saying above. Sorry about that.
>

Fairy nuff.

>I agree. And that was the philosophy I worked on when I ran The Goodies Rule - OK! website. The thing was, as soon as someone more technically ept that me took it over and reduced the content but put in lots of flash things people started saying "this site looks a lot better". I was a little hurt by this.
>

I can understand that. However, balance the Flash junkies against the people with creaking PCs who are grateful that they can read it all without upgrading their machine drastically. Whenever I've done a site, I've tried to make sure it would looks halfway decent on a 486 running Netscape 1.1, and I've had emails thanking me for it.

>But looking at the internet in general, I think people prefer style over content, as long as it doesn't take too long to load.
>

Well, it could be argued that much of the Net is a triumph of style over substance. Particularly all those meaningless sites that were going to change the world but then went under, like Boo.com, Chelm.org, Frisnit.net and Spooble.arse.

> Mind you, SOTCAA is a different beastie and a simpler site could work just as well. As long as there was still some kind of forum or interactive/reader's views section.
>

That's the key, really, and there are other means to that end. Some of them might be a bit clunkier than what we're used to, but there is off-the-peg (off the Simon Pegg?)stuff out there.

>The only way Mike and Joe make things look flashy is when they do an animation and even I could put one of those up on the web!
>

Exactly. The design talent is there, it's just a question of filling in the gaps in the mechanical knowledge to make it work.

>Well that's something for him to consider.

I hope he would consider it. I hate to think of him festering.

>Yes, the fact that people are still posting messages along the line of "so long, fair friend" is odd. They clearly haven't read this entire thread. Mind you, it is rather long.
>

Mainly because people keep posting 'so long, fair friend' messages. Pain, innit?

Yep. People seem not to have grasped that, while there might be a temporary hiatus, the site will go on.

>And thank you too.
>
>Aaahhhhh, isn't this all cuddly?

Positively nauseous ;)

Well I don't have anything much to add to this, except...

>>Aaahhhhh, isn't this all cuddly?
>
>Positively nauseous ;)

Come now Louis, you have to embrace those emotions. Don't run away from them. Relate! Doesn't that feel better?

>Well I don't have anything much to add to this, except...
>
>Come now Louis, you have to embrace those emotions. Don't run away from them. Relate! Doesn't that feel better?
>

Honestly, I'm not as vinegary an old fart as I might seem from my postings in this thread. I'm relatively fluffy and a cautious optimist. By which I mean the glass is half-empty, but I'm anticipating someone getting a round in quite soon...

Louis, a simple request.

Can you please leave this forum? We have a couple of weeks left. I'd rather enjoy them without your presence.

When I ceased communication with you it was for a reason. You really really upset me, okay? You know that much. I needed to block out people with your attitude lest I never trust anyone ever again. The idea of you subsequently posting on here under a variety of pseudonymns (assuming I was too stupid to realise it was you) was galling enough - and I could have had Rob ban you at any time throughout, but decided to just ignore it, until it drove me to distraction).

Your recent posts on here have just been personally insulting. I don't your need HTML advice or snide uninformed tabloid sneers about my employment situation. I don't need your backhanded attempts to be matey. I don't need your look-at-me-trying-to-be-Francis-fucking-Wheen observations about people's basic human responses to the closure of a site they like.

So please, please, just leave me alone, yeah? I genuinely despise you.

As for the rest of you - the above Barfe/Bean conversation is pretty much redundant and ignorant anyway. I'm quite capable of HTML design, thanks (it's just de-Flashing the codes of a year and a half of articles and choosing the right webspace that's the daunting factor). I'm not 'long-term unemployed', I'm a freelance artist (commissions come and go) but I'm always working on something, even if it's my own projects - not 'festering', as suggested by the above Oldie journalist - someone I've not even spoken to for more than a year anyway).

And the suggestion that we need our hands held re: HTML - the main reason we're upset over all this is that the NotBBC/SOTCAA collusion worked so well. This isn't even about the site - it's about a friendship breakdown. It's about being told out of the blue that all our hard work is about to be deleted. You do tend to lose heart a bit. Laziness doesn't come into it.

In that situation it is rather nice to know that the site is appreciated. It's a far better method of encouragement than the 'kick up the arse' above.

Maybe I'll try it next time I pass a homeless bloke in the street actually. "Come on - get a fucking house! You've got legs, for Christ's sakes! It's a start."

Ho.

>And the suggestion that we need our hands held re: HTML

Joe, it's obvious you don't need your hand held. Through looking at some of the alternative forums that were mentioned on various threads, I think it's easy to see how good SOTCAA is - in a lot of the alternatives, you can't tell how deep within a thread you are or often which ones have been read and which have not. Also, the black background and white text is a hell of a lot easier to read than most of the other forums. Keep up the good work.

>Louis, a simple request.
>
>Can you please leave this forum?

No.

The stuff about the situation between thee and me is taken as read. It upset me too - what I did worried me and made me feel ashamed. I handled it in my own way, which was badly. Despite all that, I'm afraid I'm not going to go away. Sorry.

>Your recent posts on here have just been personally insulting. I don't your need HTML advice or snide uninformed tabloid sneers about my employment situation.
>

I'm a journalist, so my observations about your situation are tabloid sneers? Bollocks. Just the observations of a former friend who is worried that you are pissing your life up the wall. Like you need my concern, obviously, but that doesn't stop me feeling it. OK?

> I don't need your backhanded attempts to be matey.
>

Not backhanded at all. I know we'll never be matey. I wouldn't want to be. Just see the above points about being a tad concerned, that's all.

> I don't need your look-at-me-trying-to-be-Francis-fucking-Wheen observations about people's basic human responses to the closure of a site they like.
>

I'm not trying to be Francis Wheen. I'm being me which requires considerably less effort. Strikes me, however, that there were one or two home truths in what I've posted, home truths that you don't like primarily because of who's expressing them. They also upset you because they went against the grain of the adulation that you've received since the important announcement.

>So please, please, just leave me alone, yeah? I genuinely despise you.
>

As opposed to feigning it? Hard to tell, sometimes. Listen, chief. I don't care what you think of me. Actually, I do, and there was something I could have avoided doing long ago which would have prevented this situation. But I didn't, and that's with me until I go to the grave.

>As for the rest of you - the above Barfe/Bean conversation is pretty much redundant and ignorant anyway. I'm quite capable of HTML design, thanks (it's just de-Flashing the codes of a year and a half of articles and choosing the right webspace that's the daunting factor).
>

I.e. effort.

> I'm not 'long-term unemployed', I'm a freelance artist (commissions come and go) but I'm always working on something, even if it's my own projects - not 'festering', as suggested by the above Oldie journalist - someone I've not even spoken to for more than a year anyway).
>

You've rarely been far from my thoughts, as pathetic as it may sound.

>And the suggestion that we need our hands held re: HTML - the main reason we're upset over all this is that the NotBBC/SOTCAA collusion worked so well.
>

Up to a point, evidently.

> This isn't even about the site - it's about a friendship breakdown.
>

I can identify with that.

> It's about being told out of the blue that all our hard work is about to be deleted.
>

But that's just it. It's not. It's being moved/redeployed/whatever you want to call it. You've loved whipping up this last waltz melodrama, haven't you?

> You do tend to lose heart a bit. Laziness doesn't come into it.
>

Perhaps so.

>In that situation it is rather nice to know that the site is appreciated.
>

Which it is, even by me, not that that counts for much.

>It's a far better method of encouragement than the 'kick up the arse' above.
>


>Maybe I'll try it next time I pass a homeless bloke in the street actually. "Come on - get a fucking house! You've got legs, for Christ's sakes! It's a start."
>

Yes. That's me. I do that all the time. I kick them until they get up and realise how lucky they are. Layabouts.

>>And the suggestion that we need our hands held re: HTML
>
>Joe, it's obvious you don't need your hand held.
>

If you read what I said originally, it was "thinking that they need their hands held", which is a different thing entirely.

>You've loved whipping up this last waltz melodrama, haven't you?

Bollocks. If you actually look at the messages, everyone aware that this is the merest excuse to do a bit of congratulating - and the merest excuse is all they need, because the site is quality stuff and it just so happens that there is rarely a topic on this forum where it seems "on-topic" to gush about the quality of the site. "Whipping up"? Purleeease.

This thread is also useful to highlight just how much support there is for the site. The SOTCAA boys might be feeling down because there losing the foundation for it, but they'll probably feel better reading this thread knowing that they're people who want to help the situation in anyway they can, whether the help is really needed or not. Some of the posts might seem a bit melo-drmatic (although not the ones from Joe, from what i've seen) but that doesn't mean that people sneering is going to help balance it out or anything. Not that i'm against sneering obviously, but there's a time and a place.

>it just so happens that there is rarely a topic on this forum where it seems "on-topic" to gush about the quality of the site.

Are we in the realms of lazy received opinion yet? Just wondering - what is the critical mass of popular support required for something to become so?

Come on... Louis was talking sense - check out the mawkishness on show at the top of this thread. As I said before, it's like Diana died - you'll all feel really silly in a month's time when the site is still going.

Still - fantastic site.

I have my site at http://www.freedom2surf.net

There's no ads and no pop ups and it's free (you don't even have to dial up with them or anything like that to build your site or up-date). You can pick any name you want. The only thing you may not like is you have to have an address which ends anythingyouwant.f2s.com (that's the f2s.com bit). It's UK based and I think it's very good. Much much better than Geo and as far as I can tell there's no policing.

All the best

Gee

>"Whipping up"? Purleeease.

Didn't the original post say something like "I'm going now because I think I'm going to cry"?

If that doesn't signify 'poor hard-done-by diddums is being treated like shit and wants sympathy' rather than 'er, the site might be down for a short while while we look at alternatives', I don't know what does.

>Come on... Louis was talking sense

Ta.

> - check out the mawkishness on show at the top of this thread. As I said before, it's like Diana died - you'll all feel really silly in a month's time when the site is still going.
>

Perhaps Elton John can be persuaded to record Corpses in the Wind...

> Still - fantastic site.

Indeed.

Joe, to be honest there's almost no Flash to remove on the site any more (way, way less than there was a few months ago at any rate), all the content is piss-easily transportable to something else (in fact I've already done it myself for my own perusal on lonely dark nights, of which I have many... sadly... still, enough of this self pity *ahem*) just deciding on an overall look for the site, as the current form is so obviously Rob's (very cool) work, and hosting are the tricky bits I would guess. Hosting is a bloody minefield at the best of times. Why am I still typing? Keep us posted as to how you are getting on anyway. Cheers.

>in fact I've already done it myself

Me too. Did you remove all the <script> stuff? You have to do that or else some of the links in Archive Review don't work. It's also a good idea to fiddle with the top <frameset> so the righthand NotBBC column isn't there, because that's where the .cgi stuff is called from.

Cool - have either of you found that 'hidden' Photoshop mock-up of Jimmy Savile fucking a child in front of Jim Yoakum yet?

Also, if you open up the HTML for the Ben Elton article in Word it plays a midi version of 'Smack My Bitch Up'.

>If that doesn't signify 'poor hard-done-by diddums is being treated like shit and wants sympathy' rather than 'er, the site might be down for a short while while we look at alternatives', I don't know what does.

I express a bit of public emotion and get accused of doing so for effect or hankering after sympathy? And people accuse *us* of cynicism. Fucking hell.

And, as I said above, there were other factors other than just this bastard website which caused me to lose it. Mawkishness? I even tried to jolly it along in this and other threads.

I saw no home truths in your statements, Louis - just twisting. Re: going 'against the grain' of the thread - you really think I'm that shallow?. When have we ever fished for compliments? After the rabid twat-calling of the Brassfans over the past few weeks I was expecting a lot more gleeful vultures anyway.

I spend about four hours a night working on stuff for this site - planning, writing, designing, etc. Now we have to redesign the whole thing on top of this. And you accuse me of being lazy or not making an effort?

Every time you post, you twist the fucking knife further with ill-informed personal statements about my life (which you're not part of and know nothing about anyway). I refuse to believe you're not doing this deliberately to wind me up or upset me further. Either way, it is. That's why I want you to leave. Please.

>I saw no home truths in your statements, Louis - just twisting.
>

Well, you know about my massive collection of Chubby Checker records...

> Re: going 'against the grain' of the thread - you really think I'm that shallow?.
>

No idea. As you say, we don't really know each other.

>I spend about four hours a night working on stuff for this site - planning, writing, designing, etc. Now we have to redesign the whole thing on top of this. And you accuse me of being lazy or not making an effort?
>

Well, no tangible one, anyway. If you spend 4 hrs a night on stuff, you must have a hell of a lot to upload once you get sorted. And I look forward to reading it.

>Every time you post, you twist the fucking knife further with ill-informed personal statements about my life (which you're not part of and know nothing about anyway). I refuse to believe you're not doing this deliberately to wind me up or upset me further.
>

Well, I'm not.


> Either way, it is. That's why I want you to leave. Please.
>

Since you ask nicely...

>As for the rest of you - the above Barfe/Bean conversation is pretty much redundant and ignorant anyway. I'm quite capable of HTML design, thanks (it's just de-Flashing the codes of a year and a half of articles and choosing the right webspace that's the daunting factor).

I didn't know you could do html Joe, I therefore thought that that was one of your major concerns about the future of the site. Had I known I wouldn't have made my above statements re this.

Fucking well grow up, the lot of you. Self-obsessed bunch of cunts.

>I spend about four hours a night working on stuff for this site - planning, writing, designing, etc.<

This is why it hasn't been updated in nearly a year, then?

Now we have to redesign the whole thing on top of this. And you accuse me of being lazy or not making an effort?
>
>Every time you post, you twist the fucking knife further with ill-informed personal statements about my life (which you're not part of and know nothing about anyway). I refuse to believe you're not doing this deliberately to wind me up or upset me further. Either way, it is. That's why I want you to leave. Please.