Oh man, am I with you on this one. Granddaddy's sublime "He's Simple, He's Dumb, He's The Pilot" can no longer be listened to without the unwelcome visual image of a man prancing around dressed like a giant squirrel.

I like your games, I do.

The La's - Lookin' Glass

I haven't heard it on the show, but seen the title included in Trigger Happy compilations, just the thought that Joly knows even the existence of the song makes me weep.

But it distracts from the rubbish he's doing. And I guess those who had it on in the background didn't mind.

it would be smashing if he put the music in as a fall-back option, really. You might not like this...but you're bound to love this..

Gaaaargh!! I didn't know about Looking Glass!!!

Even Joly realises the music is the bes thing about the show... after all, one video has been released, but TWO cds are available.

>The La's - Lookin' Glass
>
>I haven't heard it on the show, but seen the title included in Trigger Happy compilations, just the thought that Joly knows even the existence of the song makes me weep.


Goodness! All this coming from someone who gets pissed off that more people aren't listening to 'good' music!

Yes. It's very wrong. Dom Joly should be at home alternating his CDs between the Vengaboys and Westlife and not imposing his reasonable musical taste onto others.
Heaven forbid your favourites should gain any popularity, eh, Steven?

well said!

(although the music's only there to make THTV 'edgy' or summat and to disguise the fact that it's no more than a bag of shit tied up in the middle with some candid camera string)

I'd have thought that Joly himself doesn't choose the music anyway, instead leaving it to younger researchers to clue him up on what's hip daddio

Don't you think it's slightly cheap though that Dom Joly is making money off other people's efforts by sticking songs on a CD and just writing Trigger Happy TV on the front? He could of just listed what the songs were and the names of the albums on the credits to his show or something. It's not like many people who watch his show like anything more than what they hear in the 'clubbing' scene anyway. And most of their reactions to seeing Brass Eye was that it was a bit like Trigger Happy TV, but not as funny...

*sigh*

Special awards should go to those bands who actually seem better or more interesting after being played on TVGH. Gene, for example.

On the other hand, he keeps slipping tracks off Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" between all the monstrously fashionable stuff. I think that's quite subversive, and forms a small part of my ongoing campaign to convince people that lots of Grandaddy and Radiohead sounds like 70s Floyd.

He ruined "Inner Meet Me" by The Beta Band for me though.

>Don't you think it's slightly cheap though that Dom Joly is making money off other people's efforts by sticking songs on a CD and just writing Trigger Happy TV on the front?

Yes, but the bands gain publicity and earn royalties off the back of this, so why on earth should that be so unthinkable? The fact Dom Joly's taking music which is obscure to one audience and publicising it to another, to me seems like a great idea.
Why is this wrong?

> He could of just listed what the songs were and the names of the albums on the credits to his show or something.

Yes, but if you _really_ liked even one or two tracks, maybe having it all on one handy album, might draw you into listening to other bands that at first, you faied to realise you liked. Maybe.

> It's not like many people who watch his show like anything more than what they hear in the 'clubbing' scene anyway.

Back that shameless generalisation up with fact. Go on.

I don't go clubbing as I don't like the music. Most of the people who _do_ like clubbing are out doing that very thing when THTV is aired in it's usual Friday night spot, so basically that argument holds little water.

> And most of their reactions to seeing Brass Eye was that it was a bit like Trigger Happy TV, but not as funny...

Oooooh, another sweeping generalisation.

This is such a rubbish argument. It's so obvious I'm right.

>Don't you think it's slightly cheap though that Dom Joly is making money off other people's efforts by sticking songs on a CD and just writing Trigger Happy TV on the front? He could of just listed what the songs were and the names of the albums on the credits to his show or something.

What, you mean like he does on the web site? I doubt very much that the THTV CDs make much money for Joly/Absolutely/C4/etc as I was involved in making a compilation album for The Dogs Balearics. The gross payment was like 2/3 of 1.5% of 3p per CD sold.

>It's not like many people who watch his show like anything more than what they hear in the 'clubbing' scene anyway.

And, of course, you'd know 'cos you're an expert on his audience?

>And most of their reactions to seeing Brass Eye was that it was a bit like Trigger Happy TV, but not as funny...

Was this THTV audience Q and A convention open to all?

Fucking hell. This smacks a bit of "Oh, well I was into them before they were well known" NME-style elitism, to me. It's very sixth form.

Cheerio

Erm, I wasn't saying that at all, all I said was I don't like Dom Joly and the fact he likes a song I like annoys me, nothing more. Obviously just a stupid thing to say but still true, as for generalisations Ailie, yes, but I have heard people say things like that, so I'm inclined to associate the general viewer of THTV with that view, maybe not true, but I'm too annoyed about it to do go out on the street doing a proper survey.

On a related subject, it's very depressing to find that "Kites" by Simon Dupree & The Big Sound, "The Look Of Love" by Dusty, "Spanish Stroll" by Mink Deville, "Stay On These Roads" by A-ha, and most of all, the peerless "I Saw The Light" by Todd Rundgren are all on the Banzai soundtrack.

On a slightly related note, the only thing I hated about "The Lakes" (series 2) was the way it would end with some crushingly inappropriate corporate indie hit for the end credits. Even when they chose an OK song, it managed to ruin both the mood of the show and the song.

"Attachments" did that as well - they played "This Charming Man" at the end of one episode, and it was the only time I've ever disliked the song, because it was so ludicrously inappropriate to the style, plot, characters, etc, etc of the show.

I think someone really should put a track by Candidate on TV though. Get them some royalties and publicity, they're really good.

I think the song is called "Seventeen" by Terence Trent D'Arby.

Great song.

Never a great fan of Terry's actually, but he did at least have the talent to finish a song in a proper way rather than just run off because he ran out of ideas.

Could I say that the theme from the 'Poddington Peas' has ruined my enjoyment of 'Real Gone Kid'.

No? I can't?

Why has everyone who disagrees with the premise of this thread turned upon Steven in their vast numbers. He didn't even start the thread and his was just one of a number of contributions. Am I missing something?

Though the theme of the thread has mutated and now inverted, I really liked the film 'Rushmore' that came out a couple of years back until right at the end when Rod Stewart's wretched lament to the simple-minded 'I Wish That I Knew What I Know Now, When I Was Younger' struck up. Shocking.

>Why has everyone who disagrees with the premise of this thread turned upon Steven in their vast numbers. He didn't even start the thread and his was just one of a number of contributions. Am I missing something?

It's hard to disagree with someone's opinions, but it's easy to disagree with spurious assertions and ill-informed "fact"-quoting.

As you say...

>Why has everyone who disagrees with the premise of this thread turned upon Steven in their vast numbers. He didn't even start the thread and his was just one of a number of contributions. Am I missing something?

This is exactly what I was thinking, surely they should have addressed the person who began the thread, other people had given examples other than me, and one person even posted to agree with the annoyance of that particular song on THTV. But everyone seems to jump at the chance to attack me instead, because it's much easier. Yes I don't like THTV and yes I do think people who love the show aren't very intelligent, that's as much a sweeping generalisation as saying I was giving a "I was into them before everyone else" view, when in fact nothing I said gave any of that impression, just that I don't like Joly and his monopoly.

Steve Berry, I didn't give any generalisations until after I was attacked by Ailie, I only gave all that because I was annoyed with that when the whole premise of the thread was to give that type of opinion. Where did I say my thoughts were fact? They're as much a fact as the Corpses saying everyone who watches a certain show is a pleb, just an opinion, maybe with some truth in it, but not even researched at all.

>Steve Berry, I didn't give any generalisations until after I was attacked by Ailie,

Okay. But why are you so upset that Dom Joly likes the same music as you?

>Okay. But why are you so upset that Dom Joly likes the same music as you?

Because he's crap, and a media chancer.

Crumbs Chief!

Steven, my comments regarding what you said were not aimed at you because you are 'easier to attack.' May your paranoia please subside.

The topic of this thread seems odd to me, but if some of you have found that THTV spoils your enjoyment of a song, I won't pretend I understand (if you dislike the show, why are you watching it?), but who am I to argue?


"just the thought that Joly knows even the existence of the song makes me weep."


Why I chose to comment on what *Steven* posted rather than anyone else, was because of what I perceive to be a disgustingly arrogant and snobbish attitude. Nothing gives anyone the right to deem certain people unworthy of listening to any musical genre. No rights of sole possession rest with Steven or anyone else, unless they happen to make the music and choose not to share it with others.

Steven made a comment that seemed to hypocritically contrast with his usual desire to make 'good' music heard. I commented. Big deal.
What followed were sweeping judgements without any factual base. That annoys me. It also annoys me when other people do it, Steven - it's not just you!

'Easytargeting', your loyalty to Steven, although anonymous, is very sweet, but somehow utterly misplaced.
Yes you _are_ missing something, as I hope I have explained.
It is not my desire to pick on Steven, whether he sets himself up for it or not.
He's old enough to fight his own battles, or simply ignore other posters if his argument does not carry enough weight. No one is _forcing_ him into an argument, but if you make a comment, are unable to justify it and then get defensive when someone like Steve Berry makes some good points, then what's the purpose of posting in the first place?

As I said before, I have no need to continue this argument, as I am secure in the knowledge I have 'won.'
Please don't accuse me of attacking anyone, I can't be bothered with such childishness.

I fear that my original posting has been misconstrued through no-one's fault but my own.

I was merely commenting that a song through hearing it once too often on the telly has literally spoilt my enjoyment of a song and that trigger happy tv does this to me (as do other shows eg The Royale Family and Half The World Away). I wish that programmes sometimes didn't use music as overtly as they do (which i think someone agreed to somewhere up there once upon a time).

Also most of the bands probably didn't give a shit about their music being used on a primetime C4 comedy show. Elastica probably needed the money to promote their 'difficult' second album anyway.

This was only supposed to be a bit of a fun thread, but tonite i shall cower under my bed at the monster i have unleashed.

Woof!

The entire subject of the thread, and most of the people who posted in it were expressing the same opinion as me, yet you singled me out, yes 'attack' is too strong a word, but I do agree my 'argument' is obviously flawed, but it was never meant to be a factual and succinct argument, I was just replying to the thread and displaying my OPINION that I don't like Joly and the fact he's probably making profit off a song I like. What the hell is wrong with that.

And as far dictating that certain people aren't allowed to have taste, look all over this site, and in Mike's recent threads, there are tons of stuff saying certain types don't deserve to watch comedy, I don't see you running around to criticise any of them.

Sorry, but I'm just annoyed at having to argue over every tiny brash opinion I have, it just seems when I get picked apart, it is in packs, and it's not nice, and when I criticise other people, seemingly I do it on my own and then a whole pack come to defend the other party, thus further complicating matters.

Shall I get my nob out again?

> The entire subject of the thread, and most of the people who posted in it were expressing the same opinion as me,


*sigh*


No, Steven. People were saying that they didn't like the fact that songs had been 'spoiled' for them by the image of a man dressed as a squirrel. The point YOU made was that you felt it was wrong that Dom Joly should know about music.

> yet you singled me out,

For the above reason!

> I was just replying to the thread and displaying my OPINION that I don't like Joly and the fact he's probably making profit off a song I like. What the hell is wrong with that.

As I said before, I found what you were suggesting snobbish. I then could not believe that you tried to back-up what you were saying with opinionated 'facts'.
If you can't see the point I am making, then there is no point in reiterating it.

> And as far dictating that certain people aren't allowed to have taste, look all over this site, and in Mike's recent threads, there are tons of stuff saying certain types don't deserve to watch comedy, I don't see you running around to criticise any of them.

Would you like me to? Would you like me to jump on every thread and go round in circles as I am now?
I don't have the energy.
I don't agree with Mike's point on the thread that you mention (I'd like to think it's meant to be humorous in some way, although if it is, I don't really get it), but I don't feel quite so passionate about that as I do about the right to listen to and appreciate music, whatever your class or intellect.

I see no sense in offending for effect and usually ignore those who do. I felt the need to respond to _your_ posting, as it changed the tone of the thread completely.

> Sorry, but I'm just annoyed at having to argue over every tiny brash opinion I have, it just seems when I get picked apart, it is in packs, and it's not nice, and when I criticise other people, seemingly I do it on my own and then a whole pack come to defend the other party, thus further complicating matters.

There's no one here holding my hand, Steven. Maybe you need to look more closely at _why_ people do this. Just a thought...

>Shall I get my nob out again?

Put it away. It's not big or clever.

See, I forecast that this might turn nasty, and attempted to defuse the situation. sadly, i did this through the medium of banality. But I tried....

>>Shall I get my nob out again?
>
>Put it away. It's not big or clever.

It is clever! It can do tricks!

>>Put it away. It's not big or clever.
>
>It is clever! It can do tricks!

So you admit it's not big?

>>>Put it away. It's not big or clever.
>>
>>It is clever! It can do tricks!
>
>So you admit it's not big?

Look closer... there... it's definitely massive... it's down here somewhere... closer... damn, it was here a minute a go...

'Definitely massive' just made me laugh. Sorry.

>Would you like me to? Would you like me to jump on every thread and go round in circles as I am now?

Hey! I have to.

By the by, I've been listening to some of Chris Morris' old Radio 1 shows from 1994, and he was heavily into the emerging Britpop scene, playing lots of Oasis, Blur, Elastica (including 'Connection') Suede, Ash and Lightning Seeds. Much cheerier to that droning dreary stuff in plays in the Jam shows.

>By the by, I've been listening to some of Chris Morris' old Radio 1 shows from 1994, and he was heavily into the emerging Britpop scene, playing lots of Oasis, Blur, Elastica (including 'Connection') Suede, Ash and Lightning Seeds. Much cheerier to that droning dreary stuff in plays in the Jam shows.

I've always enjoyed the music shows for that very reason - the music makes them seem so positive and upbeat, and I also liked the way the managed to slot stuff like The Velvets, Captain Beefheart, Gil Scott-Heron and Ice Cube among the Britpop stuff and still make it seem like a seamless flow.

My thoughts on this subject - I find it offensive and nauseating that there should be THTV and Banzai 'soundtracks', because I do feel that in some way it's promoting music under a deceptive 'cool' banner when it really ought to be possible to discover this stuff without the assistance of its association with some bloke repeating the same wank mobile phone joke over and over again... but at the same time, if relatively obscure stuff (PJ Harvey, Shack, The TV Personalities, Captain Sensible to name but a few) is reaching people who wouldn't hear it otherwise, and someone I know who works for HMV in Liverpool tells me that sales of Gordon Lightfoot albums have 'skyrocketed' since Joly started using 'If You Could Read My Mind'... then surely this has to be a good thing in some respects?

It's all an attempt to emulate Karyn Rachtman's era-defining soundtracks for the Tarantino movies, isn't it?

Millions of people suddenly into Dick Dale and Dusty Springfield overnight.

kill me now.

how come this thread has now changed again since i last checked!



*Velvet wanders around confused*

>Don't you think it's slightly cheap though that Dom Joly is making money off other people's efforts by sticking songs on a CD and just writing Trigger Happy TV on the front?

The other way round, surely? They'll be getting the royalties, not him.

Dom Joly gets some royalties for compiling it, I would expect.

>Dom Joly gets some royalties for compiling it, I would expect.

I mentioned as much above. It's usually a small amount compared to the artists, but it all mounts up.

>No, Steven. People were saying that they didn't like the fact that songs had been 'spoiled' for them by the image of a man dressed as a squirrel. The point YOU made was that you felt it was wrong that Dom Joly should know about music.

The thread is called 'Name a song that has been ruined for you by Dom Joly'. The thing that annoyed me however was not playing the song on telly while people dressed as squirrels jump about, it was the fact Joly was selling compilations of other people's work with the flimsy gimmick of writing Trigger Happy TV on the front. And I'm perfectly entitled not to like that, as well as not like the fact Joly used that particular song because I don't like him, no, not really an argument, just personal annoyance. I'm not trying to say I'm correct, just giving a personal opinion, you have no right to say you've won because I'm not allowed to get pissed off if some media twat exploits his chancing show for all the money he can.

>As I said before, I found what you were suggesting snobbish. I then could not believe that you tried to back-up what you were saying with opinionated 'facts'.
>If you can't see the point I am making, then there is no point in reiterating it.

And you're not coming across as snobbish either? I don't see where I try and say my comments are FACT, they were meant to be derogatory just because I was annoyed and didn't really care about writing a totally succint and articulated argument, because it was never meant to be.

>Would you like me to? Would you like me to jump on every thread and go round in circles as I am now?

Exactly my point, you singled me out. I don't see why it is paranoia that lots of people like having a go at me because it's easy. I see lots of stuff other people say that I violently disagree with but I don't storm in and criticise them, about the 1% of the time I will say something it is usually just criticisng a particular show or something, not somebody, or their argument. Excepting the minor spat with Jon and Brooker of course, that's another story.
If you feel so strongly about this kind of opinion you still avoided everybody else including Mike and went for me instead, and you'd rather spend your time writing crap nob jokes with Peter O than criticise any other obvious examples, if it's such a raw nerve it seems you're remarkably selective with it.

>I don't agree with Mike's point on the thread that you mention (I'd like to think it's meant to be humorous in some way, although if it is, I don't really get it), but I don't feel quite so passionate about that as I do about the right to listen to and appreciate music, whatever your class or intellect.

I don't deny that, what pissed me off, was Dom Joly making even more profit by sticking other people's music on a compilation and flogging it under the Trigger Happy TV banner, thus making it trendy, I wouldn't mind as much if he just played it on his show and listed them afterward so people could find out a particular band they had just heard by buying their album or whatever.

>I see no sense in offending for effect and usually ignore those who do. I felt the need to respond to _your_ posting, as it changed the tone of the thread completely.

I was just replying to what the thread title asks, my point was a bit more serious that 'Could I ever listen to a certain track again without picturing Joly dressed as a squirrel', it was just a dig at Joly for being a media git.

>There's no one here holding my hand, Steven. Maybe you need to look more closely at _why_ people do this. Just a thought...

Because I'm arrogant with my opinion. I've said so many times before, it's no crime. Even if you find my arguing skills crap, and my attitude brash, I do at least contribute, a lot of other people twat around filling up everything with pointless irrelevancy and gloat over replying with crap jokes to every post in every thread.

Sorry about this argument, but I do find flaws on both sides, and as usual I have to reiterate it over and over because it never seems to get anywhere.

I'm sure the artists Joly's using don't mind at all. Doesn't seem your place to mind on the behalf of some mythical authority.

I'm not sure this whole discussion is quite in the spirit of the original thread, though.

Ah, here we go...

> The thread is called 'Name a song that has been ruined for you by Dom Joly'. The thing that annoyed me however was not playing the song on telly while people dressed as squirrels jump about, it was the fact Joly was selling compilations of other people's work with the flimsy gimmick of writing Trigger Happy TV on the front.

No. Once again the point YOU made (the one you've tried to squirm out of) was:
"just the thought that Joly knows even the existence of the song makes me weep."
It became about CD compilations, when someone challenged that sad little "I don't like Dom Joly, so why should he get to use music I rate" opinion.

> I'm not trying to say I'm correct,

Just that I'm wrong, eh?

> you have no right to say you've won because I'm not allowed to get pissed off if some media twat exploits his chancing show for all the money he can.

Maybe he wants to bring the music to a wider audience. Have you considered this slim possibility? Maybe you share some of the same goals - you share some taste in music. The fundamental difference between you appears to be that Dom Joly doesn't seem to believe that some people have the right to appreciate indie more than others.
But I _have_ won.

> And you're not coming across as snobbish either?

Am I? Ooops.

> I don't see where I try and say my comments are FACT, they were meant to be derogatory just because I was annoyed and didn't really care about writing a totally succint and articulated argument, because it was never meant to be.

I don't understand what this means.
You passed off 'opinions' in an ill-informed factual manner. See below:

"It's not like many people who watch his show like anything more than what they hear in the 'clubbing' scene anyway. And most of their reactions to seeing Brass Eye was that it was a bit like Trigger Happy TV, but not as funny..."

>>Would you like me to? Would you like me to jump on every thread and go round in circles as I am now?
>Exactly my point, you singled me out.

Like I said (the bit you cut out of that) "I don't have the energy". Look on other threads. Go on. I posted stuff today whilst I had a bit more time than yesterday. I've taken issue with other people and their opinions too. It's not just you - get over yourself.

> I see lots of stuff other people say that I violently disagree with but I don't storm in and criticise them,

That's your choice.

> If you feel so strongly about this kind of opinion you still avoided everybody else including Mike and went for me instead,

The boring truth is that I noticed what you'd written at work and commented on it. I then got caught-up in accounts and an endless stream of clients and was too busy to do much else for the rest of the day. I didn't want to end up with more than one discussion on the go, but today is back to normal and as I said, you can see that I've posted to other threads.

> and you'd rather spend your time writing crap nob jokes with Peter O than criticise any other obvious examples,

Light relief from an otherwise tedious thread. Soooo sorry.

> if it's such a raw nerve it seems you're remarkably selective with it.

Yes. It's my goal to bully you.
Steven, I don't give a fuck whether anyone likes you not. Really, I don't know you and I don't care enough to want to start arguments with you for kicks. Believe me there are none.

> I don't deny that, what pissed me off, was Dom Joly making even more profit by sticking other people's music on a compilation and flogging it under the Trigger Happy TV banner, thus making it trendy, I wouldn't mind as much if he just played it on his show and listed them afterward so people could find out a particular band they had just heard by buying their album or whatever.

Yes, but this wasn't the point I 'picked on' - this was what you turned that point into.

> it was just a dig at Joly for being a media git.

This is pointless. I'm going for a bath and probably away from this thread forever.

>Light relief from an otherwise tedious thread. Soooo sorry.

miaow.

i wish i had never started this, Rob can you delete it please!

if possible can you also erase everyone's collective memory...........

>>Light relief from an otherwise tedious thread. Soooo sorry.
>
>miaow.

Nuffink personal: )

that's alright, this thread bored me after i posted it, and i went away for a day come back and suddenly there's this big mess.

apologies to all.

>that's alright, this thread bored me after i posted it, and i went away for a day come back and suddenly there's this big mess.

He'd just tidied, as well!

ho ho

and he replied quickly to boot! :P