Stewart Lee - The Perfect Fool Posted Sun Jul 22 00:20:34 BST 2001 by 'Earnest'

Having been out and about extolling the virtues of Stewart Lee's first novel for the umpteenth time I re-checked http://www.stewartlee.co.uk


Fantasic stuff - loads of background to the writing of the novel and all manner of recommended reading/links.

Bloody brilliant book, bloody brilliant website. Anyone else had a go at reading recently?


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Posted By Radiator Head Child on Sun Jul 22 00:31:42 BST 2001:

Fiction is EVIL. But Perfect Fool is great.


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 00:35:27 BST 2001:

>Fiction is EVIL.

How do you feel about atlases?


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Posted By Mogwai on Sun Jul 22 00:38:57 BST 2001:

>Fiction is EVIL.

Reading list getting on top of you? : )


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Posted By 'Anonymous' on Sun Jul 22 00:41:42 BST 2001:

I bet you he can't kick a football straight or place a good tennis shot, where it should, git.

dunksssss


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 00:41:58 BST 2001:

>>Fiction is EVIL.
>
>Reading list getting on top of you? : )

Has she not finished studying yet?

RHC's education is like an episode of World of Pub. It drags...


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 00:44:24 BST 2001:

>I bet you he can't kick a football straight or place a good tennis shot, where it should, git.

Which is why he writes/performs comedy surley?


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Posted By Radiator Head Child on Sun Jul 22 00:45:30 BST 2001:

>Reading list getting on top of you? : )

Bloody Hard Times! You don't need that many words to explain it was an industrial town. *breaks down into tears*


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Posted By 'Ear' on Sun Jul 22 00:46:01 BST 2001:


>dunksssss

Surley I am too.


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 00:47:50 BST 2001:

>>Reading list getting on top of you? : )
>
>Bloody Hard Times! You don't need that many words to explain it was an industrial town. *breaks down into tears*

In Dickensian times that'll make you Miss Cryer then...


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Posted By Steven on Sun Jul 22 00:58:01 BST 2001:

Congratulations, you've turned what could have been an interesting thread about a book into irrelevant nothingness. I would actually like to hear people's opinions regarding this subject, and by the by, subjects that are related to in most thread titles here before turning into pap.

I'm not on a high horse, just annoyed.


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Posted By Steven on Sun Jul 22 00:59:23 BST 2001:

May I add, I like the site as well, the main picture on it is bloody marvelous.


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 01:13:39 BST 2001:

>Congratulations, you've turned what could have been an interesting thread about a book into irrelevant nothingness. I would actually like to hear people's opinions regarding this subject, and by the by, subjects that are related to in most thread titles here before turning into pap.

Thanks, I'd agree. I'm a great fan of the book and, although they are not entirley comedy related, the themes and topics examined in the book. The links from the website are as intersting as they are varied. I wouldn't expect a discussion of American secret airbases or Freemasons in Space on this site though. Just thought they made interesting reading coming from a good comic novel.

Looking at it from a Stewart Lee-fan point of view the familiar references to Brad Pitt's Irish accent et al were a joy. But for me the success of the novel belongs to the finely crafted and believable characters. Their success counteracts any incosistencies or "unbelievable-ness" in the narrative.

Besides I'm a sucker for a "Holy Grail" story.



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Posted By Mogwai on Sun Jul 22 01:16:18 BST 2001:

> I wouldn't expect a discussion of American secret airbases

http://members.tripod.com/~blackchopper/


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Posted By 'Earnest' on Sun Jul 22 01:36:44 BST 2001:

>> I wouldn't expect a discussion of American secret airbases
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~blackchopper/

From Mogwai, your regular Sphincter Boy.


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Posted By Mogwai on Sun Jul 22 01:39:50 BST 2001:

>From Mogwai, your regular Sphincter Boy.

I don't think Mr Arse needs to worry.


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Posted By 'Gregg' on Sun Jul 22 03:50:19 BST 2001:

>>>I wouldn't expect a discussion of
>>>American secret airbases
>>
>>http://members.tripod.com/~blackchopper/

I just love:
"IMAGES WERE TAKE WITH A 110 CAMERA SO WE ARE DOING GOOD TO SEE AS WELL AS WE CAN."

Yes, you are doing very good. Get pat on head.

(Gods, I hope he is next.)

Ming you, we get frequently buzzed at 3am by some massive-engined low-flying plan. And this is in South London. Damn American Govt.

>From Mogwai, your regular Sphincter Boy.

He's only a Regular Sphincted Boy? Damn, I wish I'd known. I took an oath when I joined the Elite Sphincter Boys - we're not supposed to mix with the lower classes.


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Posted By 'Anonymous' on Sun Jul 22 04:02:56 BST 2001:

>Ming you, we get frequently buzzed at 3am
>by some massive-engined low-flying plan.

Plane, plane, obviously, plane. Whoever heard of a massive-engined plan?


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Posted By 'Janet' on Sun Jul 22 06:42:38 BST 2001:

Janet tries to get things back on track:
I thoroughly enjoyed The Perfect Fool.
The Hopi legends provided beautiful punctuation points to the novel. I think that the obvious care and respect with which Stewart treated this native culture heightened the worth of the book as a whole. The incident in Hopiland where the Belgian backpacker is prying, trying to find out from the Hopi guide what the bundle of feathers means, is very nicely included. Hampstead Man berates him with "Have a little respect. Some things are meant to remain unknown.". This provides both a moral lesson regarding native cultures, as well as a resonant comment upon other themes in the book. You're damned right, Hamstead Man! (There was a case here in Australia when a white, male politician thoughtlessly veiwed documents pertaining to 'Secret Women's Business' from one of the Aboriginal tribes without invitation or consent. The lack of acknowledgement of disrespect was a feature of the case.)

Characterwise, I appreciated that Bob Nequatewa had a past as a drug-taking young tearaway - an overly politically correct take on his character would have seemed patronising.
My least favourite character was the Sherrif's wife - she seemed to be a caricature rather than a character. I felt that the dialogue between her and the Sherrif flagged the fact that Tracy was their daughter. I would have preferred being surprised by this revelation, but I'd already guessed. Good character for the screenplay, but not for the book.

Opinions, anybody?


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Posted By Radiator Head Child on Sun Jul 22 09:51:57 BST 2001:

That's not fair; she's read it. ; )


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