David Lynch - visionary film-maker or hopeless charlatan? Posted Sat Dec 23 15:06:20 GMT 2000 by 'Phil'

Discuss.


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Posted By Mr Griffiths on Sat Dec 23 16:13:23 GMT 2000:

>Discuss.
>
I'd opt for visionary film-maker. He's a true surrealist. He doesn't just juxtapose stuff for a quick "Hey that's weird" response. He's genuinely attempting to visualise the workings of the unconscious.

He often talks about creating a 'mood that feels right', artistically speaking, in his films without having to verbalise what that mood is. "Lost Highway" is a masterpiece, one of the most engaging and enjoyable films I've seen for years. Everything hangs together satisfyingly, but ineffably, like a dream.

I'll wager Lynch was an influence on Blue Jam/Jam. By playing extracts from "Eraserhead" in the first episode of "Blue Jam" I think CM acknowldges this. However, bereft of the overall story context you get with a film, Jam comes across as often just a succession of odd bits without any real mood or atmosphere - which is what makes Lynch's stuff work.

I hope this makes some kind of sense. My brain and body are mashed after last night's works do.


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Posted By 'Phil' on Sat Dec 23 17:37:04 GMT 2000:

I'd say that Playstation 2 ad currently doing the rounds owes something to Eraserhead, too. Albeit in a "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to stick in a talking duck somewhere?" kind of a way.

Lynch used to collect mouldy sandwiches, didn't he? Very strange man.

"In Heaven, everything is fine..."


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Posted By 'PJ' on Sat Dec 23 19:55:42 GMT 2000:

The Playstation 2 adds are directed By Lynch.
It was on the Money Program awhile ago.


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Posted By 'Festive Radiator Head Child' on Sat Dec 23 22:50:14 GMT 2000:

Hey hey!
Blue Velvet! Good film, shame I'm not allowed to watch it, but the first 53 seconds (which I saw) were excellent...


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Posted By Suiii on Mon Dec 25 23:16:55 GMT 2000:

>Hey hey!
>Blue Velvet! Good film, shame I'm not allowed to watch it

Why?


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Posted By 'PJ' on Tue Dec 26 00:56:26 GMT 2000:

She's too young - still, i found some of the enjoyment goes out of watching 18's when you're actually old enough - the best time was when i saw starship troopers in the cinema when it was a 15, but then on video it was released as an 18! phew, what crazy times!


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Posted By Suiii on Tue Dec 26 17:33:07 GMT 2000:

Actually, it was a more sort of all encompassing futile "Whyyyyy??" but that explanation will do! I find that I prefer kids films these days, violence has somewhat lost its appeal.


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Posted By 'PJ' on Tue Dec 26 20:18:15 GMT 2000:

What about if i hit myself with this keyboard...

















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Well, i'm not doing that again.


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Posted By Suiii on Tue Dec 26 22:34:54 GMT 2000:

I hate doing that, ice and foxes everywhere.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Thu Dec 28 13:50:03 GMT 2000:

>Blue Velvet! Good film, shame I'm not allowed to watch it, but the first 53 seconds (which I saw) were excellent...

Borrowed by Blur for the start of the 'There's No Other Way' promo, no less. Insects in the grass...

I'm with Mr Griffiths incidentally. I would add that Lynch has lost his audience over the years due to his obsession with time, highly noticeable in 'Fire Walk With Me' and 'Lost Highway' - the latter works because of the grand metaphor for the road as a straight line, which curves like time into a....oh you get the point.

I subscribe to 'Wrapped in Plastic'. I suggest to Mr G that he should as well.


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Posted By 'niceguyeddie' on Thu Dec 28 16:53:24 GMT 2000:

I think he's great, I only wish I had the chance to see more of his stuff.

I mean his art, you pervert.

I think the reason I like him so much is that next to him, I appear normal.

Semi normal.


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Posted By 'Unruly Butler' on Thu Dec 28 22:24:53 GMT 2000:

Hmmm.
Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Elephant Man, Straight Story etc etc.
All very fine.
But Lost Highway, though? I'm sorry.
A spectacularly scary premise and great opening half hour, thrown away for a HOPELESSLY mangled musing on the nature of time / coincidence... So in love with the idea of remaining a step ahead of his arthouse audience, that he changes his mind as to what's happening just before the end of the film, thus ensuring no-one knows what's going on. Lazy, cheap, balloon-headed...
I'm being absurdly generous here. I could just say it was the biggest pile of horsewank I saw that year. That feels better.
And Wild At Heart is a bleeding mess too, much beloved of overserious students and kitsch-sucking fag hags. But I appear to own it on video twice. Why?
These are the confusing reactions engendered by Senor Lynch. I have no conclusion. He is both visionary and pointless. I think he's a posing prannet and a diligent and craftsmanlike auteur.
Maybe he's two people, like the Coens, but dressed up in a pantomime David Lynch skin.


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Posted By 'PJ' on Fri Dec 29 00:34:33 GMT 2000:

Well, he's not a very realistic person is he? Butler's idea sounds feasible to me


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Fri Dec 29 19:43:25 GMT 2000:

It's critics like you that stop films being made.
I forget whether this is a pro or a con!

Incidentally, my parents are very relaxed about what I watch on TV or video or cinema (I told them I want to be a film director...) but Blue Velvet is a no go area apparently for the moment...must be really good...


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Posted By 'Max' on Sat Dec 30 18:22:40 GMT 2000:

Lost Highway - good

Wild at Heart - bad


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Posted By 'Unruly Butler' on Sun Dec 31 16:28:26 GMT 2000:

But at least Wild At Heart is (intentionally) funny.

Still refuse to think anything good about Lost Highway, because it annoyed me so much. In fact, until Velvet Goldmine, I thought it was the biggest argument for culling film students ever produced.


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Posted By 'PJ' on Sun Dec 31 17:49:06 GMT 2000:

Just what Elephant Man - not really yer typical Lynch film, but it puts him in the visionary catergory anyway.
Although Twin Peaks is a bit dodgy - Fire Walk With Me obviously, not the series.

btw, anyone remebert channel 5 showing it when it started, and ending the first run sayin twim peaks will be back soon? bastards.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Tue Jan 2 21:51:26 GMT 2001:

>but Blue Velvet is a no go area apparently for the moment...must be really good...

Would you like me to tell you why it's a no go area?


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