>CARLTON HARLECH. Good luck Carlton!

Thst's a silly name. Carlton Wales/Carlton West would be better. Harlech is non-geographic.

I'm a viewer and nobody owns me, least of all f*!$%)ng CARLtON.

>>CARLTON HARLECH. Good luck Carlton!
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>Thst's a silly name. Carlton Wales/Carlton West would be better. Harlech is non-geographic.

Harlech is a place and that's what they've called it- Carlton Harlech.

But Harlech was just the name of the bloke who set the company up, surely?

Lord Harlech is turning in his grave.

>Lord Harlech is turning in his grave.

Harlech is a transmitter in west Wales and a small town.

>>Lord Harlech is turning in his grave.
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>Harlech is a transmitter in west Wales and a small town.

Yeah, but the point is - the station was named after the noble Lord, not the town.

.... and the name was changed to HTV about a year afterwards because "Harlech" was felt
to be "too Welsh" for West viewers, and too "North Wales" for South Wales viewers.

Altogether, it was an inappropriate name for a TV station, and I'll eat my hat if Carlton use it.

>Altogether, it was an inappropriate name for a TV station, and I'll eat my hat if Carlton use it.

It is still used in some mag ads which are 'Not available in Harlech TV area'

Some guest houses on the Fylde coast used to boast the ability to watch Harlech (as well as Granada) in their adverts.

Seen similar boastings in Ayrshire about receiving Ulster as well as STV (although now it would be UTV as well as Scottish)

>Some guest houses on the Fylde coast used to boast the ability to watch Harlech (as well as Granada) in their adverts.
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I'm a tad more upmarket. In brochures for Gites in Normany I've seen adverts boasting of a UK TV arial. I suspect this is to pick up Channel TV.

>I'm a tad more upmarket. In brochures for Gites in Normany I've seen adverts boasting of a UK TV arial. I suspect this is to pick up Channel TV.

I know you might want to tell me to twat off, but nobody on this forum can spell "aerial". Call me small-minded, but it annoys me.

Arial: Typeface, similar to helvetica, although the top of the lower case t is cut at an angle.

Ariel: A god or a now-defunct marque of British motorcycle.

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>>I'm a tad more upmarket. In brochures for Gites in Normany I've seen adverts boasting of a UK TV arial. I suspect this is to pick up Channel TV.
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>I know you might want to tell me to twat off, but nobody on this forum can spell "aerial". Call me small-minded, but it annoys me.
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>Arial: Typeface, similar to helvetica, although the top of the lower case t is cut at an angle.
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>Ariel: A god or a now-defunct marque of British motorcycle.
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Just 'cause I'm upmarket it doesn't mean I can spell. And I can't help it if they spell it wrong in the adverts can I?

>Just 'cause I'm upmarket it doesn't mean I can spell. And I can't help it if they spell it wrong in the adverts can I?
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>

We all have our element of sadcuntishness, and that's mine. I need help.

Maybe the ads really meant that they had a sans serif font incapable of doing the French accents, hence the UK aspect.

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>>Just 'cause I'm upmarket it doesn't mean I can spell. And I can't help it if they spell it wrong in the adverts can I?
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>We all have our element of sadcuntishness, and that's mine. I need help.
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>Maybe the ads really meant that they had a sans serif font incapable of doing the French accents, hence the UK aspect.

I give in RB. Maybe you're right :o)

>Altogether, it was an inappropriate name for a TV station, and I'll eat my hat if Carlton use it.
>

I would eat my gentials if Carlton dared to even touch the HTV brand, they wont....

Carlton have not got the guts to mess around with a nationwide broadcaster!!! BUT

there are rumours that they would lavish the idea of merging HTV west and Carton westcountry into one single region as the divide of audience is too small between them and as they are both run by the same people it makes good financial sense. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!

whatever, it won't be CARLTON HARLECH. Harlechtv.co.uk and .com isnt registered and harlech.co.uk is something different altogether. I predict it will be CARLTON WEST

>Carlton have not got the guts to mess around with a nationwide broadcaster!!! BUT
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>there are rumours that they would lavish the idea of merging HTV west and Carton westcountry into one single region as the divide of audience is too small between them and as they are both run by the same people it makes good financial sense. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!

I suggested this in a thread earlier in the week. HTV Wales left untouched and Mendip broadcasting an opt-out of the Westcountry service: Westward mooted the idea back in the 70s.

I saw a bit of Carlton (central) over the weekend and I think it isn't bad. The idents are ok and they do have the balance right between the [itv] and carlton brands. Pity they've removed the Certral name.

I hope they (or anyone half-descent) take over UTV though.

Good the way you managed to merge the n into the t there on Central Richard ;)

This business of closing down HTV West and giving the area to Westcountry -- surely not!!! This idea stinks -- HTV West covers parts of the South-West Midlands who would never associate themselves with Plymouth or Exeter. And in any case this would set a very unfortunate precedent. What next? Border split into two, YTV taking over the NE franchise (like they've been wanting to do for years)... It would be the thin end of the wedge and I can't understand why you're even thinking of such evil.

I wouldn`t think it would be possible after all HTV Wales and HTV West are all one franchise. You`d have to re-name both surely.

And if can merge regions in the future then YTV will definatly scrub Tyne Tees name for good giving it its own news but everything else would be ytv. Granada would do the same to Border etc etc

>I wouldn`t think it would be possible after all HTV Wales and HTV West are all one franchise. You`d have to re-name both surely.
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>Actually they are two seperate franchises.

>>I wouldn`t think it would be possible after all HTV Wales and HTV West are all one franchise. You`d have to re-name both surely.
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>>Actually they are two seperate franchises.
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HTV is one franchise, namely 'Wales and the West of England'. It is one area as in the days of VHF TV and Welsh language programming on ITV, it was felt that non-Welsh speakers would turn receiving aerials away to wards England. With one franchise at least they would still be watching HTV!

>Granada would do the same to Border etc etc

assuming Granada buys Border, of course.

I'm suprised SMG haven't tried to take over Border, though, so as to have one Scottish ITV station. I suppose the English part of Border is what is stopping them.

>And if can merge regions in the future then YTV will definatly scrub Tyne Tees name for good giving it its own news but everything else would be ytv. Granada would do the same to Border etc etc

Come on now, let's not be silly! Granada Media already run one large North of England region. In as far as they have to have regional identities or programmes, there is no reason not to keep the name Tyne Tees. YTV doesn't come in to it - it's just another brand owned by Granada Media.

Yes, one franchise but a dual region. Each part has its own managing director, and, at one time, they were run as two completely separate stations. HTV West is certainly not a sub-regional "opt-out" of HTV Wales.

Although Carlton may well re-brand HTV West as Carlton West, or something, it will, under current licence conditions, have to guarantee exactly the same amount of HTV West-specific regional programming, which rules out a total "merger" with Westcountry.

>>Granada would do the same to Border etc etc
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>I'm suprised SMG haven't tried to take over Border, though, so as to have one Scottish ITV station. I suppose the English part of Border is what is stopping them.
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> If that were to happen then the Border B would be gone for good. Border`s new ident would be like the Scottish and Grampian one. But if Carlton take them over I suppose it would be gone as well.

>> If that were to happen then the Border B would be gone for good. Border`s new ident would be like the Scottish and Grampian one. But if Carlton take them over I suppose it would be gone as well.
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It's already gone. It's just italicised BORDER with the itv logo

I wish they would all merge together into a single ITV thing and have done with it.

>I wish they would all merge together into a single ITV thing and have done with it.

It's 2004 and I grant your wish

...and then shut it down.

RB border have changed their idents.

>And if can merge regions in the future then YTV will definatly scrub Tyne Tees name for good giving it its own news but everything else would be ytv.

If YTV became my local stations I'd blockade the bloody transmitters. Then where would they be?

>RB border have changed their idents.

Have they? What to?

If so they will be the first Granada-presented station to do so.

Ditto Richard's question. Should see them at Christmas.

Go to TV-Ark and have a look, they would be the second to do so because LWT rebranded in March

Is this true that Border are changing their idents?? Is the `B` coming back? Does anyone else have any info as this is the first i`ve heard about it