Nick Cave also said that in the aftermath of a nuclear war the only creatures left on the planet would be goths and cockroaches. I hate cockroaches.

>Nick Cave said once that he'd been desperate to get to London in the late 70s because it seemed to be the most exciting place in the world.
>
>Janet, does it still look that way from down under?

I'm not Janet, but I can speak as an Australian in London. Compared to Australia (or at least where I come from in Australia) London is a really exciting and happening place to be. And it has better comedy, although it's not as good as it used to be, as we all know.

And just think, I've been here only 4 months and I already have my own red name on the SOTCAA forum. Anything can happen in London!

Most British people don't have a SOTCAA red name, that shows what a privilege it is.

Bean, I have a feeling that the words "at least where I come from" is the key here. Brisbane, Sydney, Wagga, Wooloomooloo? Where you from m'lad?
(And let me know if you feel the same about London once you've weathered Winter there).
I've got to say that the live comedy scene here in Melbourne is damned fine. Constantly evolving, ever experimenting and with audiences the envy of overseas performers. The London scene is far too static for my liking. Comics end up very polished, but only because they can whore the same twenty minutes around for years on end. No sense of community and too much bullshit heirarchy too. It's a cut-throat business there, here it's like a giant dysfunctional family.
For TV comedy, it's the UK every time, but for live, Melbourne.

Do I consider London in the same terms as Mr Cave, Jon? Hmmm...
I used to think London was where it was at once, too. Then I lived there a while. Very depressing if you don't have much money, plus not enough 24 hour or home delivery facilities for my liking! (I live in St Kilda - I can even get booze home delivered any time of the day or night, plus there's more 24 hour shops, bars, etc here than in all of Central London).
Don't get me wrong, I like to visit London, but I like to live somewhere which can offer me a better quality of living. For health and welfare services, technological infrastructure, cuisine, affordable entertainment....

Sorry chaps, but to live the lifestyle I enjoy then Melbourne wins out. I can eat at award winning restaurants here for the same money as I'd pay at Burger King there.
Plus the water here tastes nice.

(Although we can't buy fireworks, so you win).

Where in Australia do Supergirly come from? And much would it cost us to have them flown back?

london's a fab place to live.

if you don't mind the tourists.

I thought supergirly were "okayish" - not bad enough to warrant the air fare back to australia.

Suffer in your dacks Jon, they may be Australians, but they're not an Australian act. Seeing as they started their...cough, cough..CAREERS..splutter... in London, they're officially yours. Not even known over here.

As a favour, we'll seal them down an opal mine in Kalgoorlie if you like.

while you're doing that, can you plant a few incendiary devices on the Neighbours set?

oh, and the home and away one too.

:O)

>while you're doing that, can you plant a few incendiary devices on the Neighbours set?
>
>oh, and the home and away one too.
>
>:O)

I would just like to point out that no normal Australia:

- watches Neighbours
- watches Home and Away
- drinks Fosters
- appreciates Rolf Harris

I know.

but the stereotype survives.

I wouldn't mind visiting actually - it's just a) so far away b) too expensive to get there and c) it's winter time in July.

although it's probably 30� in the winter over there..

>Bean, I have a feeling that the words "at least where I come from" is the key here. Brisbane, Sydney, Wagga, Wooloomooloo? Where you from m'lad?

Adelaide. We have a great Fringe festival. And loads of brilliant wine and food. And we're inexpensive, clean and friendly. Shame it's so bloody boring there though.

> (And let me know if you feel the same about London once you've weathered Winter there).

That's what people keep telling me, but I like winter. In summer you can't take enough clothes off, in winter you can always put more clothes on.

>I've got to say that the live comedy scene here in Melbourne is damned fine. Constantly evolving, ever experimenting and with audiences the envy of overseas performers. The London scene is far too static for my liking. Comics end up very polished, but only because they can whore the same twenty minutes around for years on end. No sense of community and too much bullshit heirarchy too. It's a cut-throat business there, here it's like a giant dysfunctional family.
>For TV comedy, it's the UK every time, but for live, Melbourne.

I like Melbourne and enjoyed seeing the comedy festival there this year. I don't have much knowledge of the live comedy scenes in Melbourne or London, but British TV comedy is much better.

>Do I consider London in the same terms as Mr Cave, Jon? Hmmm...
>I used to think London was where it was at once, too. Then I lived there a while. Very depressing if you don't have much money, plus not enough 24 hour or home delivery facilities for my liking! (I live in St Kilda - I can even get booze home delivered any time of the day or night, plus there's more 24 hour shops, bars, etc here than in all of Central London).

St Kilda rocks! As does South Yarra and Brunswick/Fitzroy. I love Melbourne, I think I'll move there when I get back from London. You're right, London is very expensive and can be depressing as a result of being very expensive.

>Don't get me wrong, I like to visit London, but I like to live somewhere which can offer me a better quality of living. For health and welfare services, technological infrastructure, cuisine, affordable entertainment....

It's just that London has a greater variety and the history, the infrastructure and the money is there to support.

>Sorry chaps, but to live the lifestyle I enjoy then Melbourne wins out. I can eat at award winning restaurants here for the same money as I'd pay at Burger King there.

That's true!

>Plus the water here tastes nice.

London water is like Adelaide water - YUCK! Melbourne water rocks!

>(Although we can't buy fireworks, so you win).

Obviously.

What I never understood about that Pauline Hanson woman was how a country that is at least 95% uninhabited could have a problem with "overcrowding".

None of the Australians I asked understood either, though admittedly a lot of them were trying to serve someone else's pint at the time.

>I wouldn't mind visiting actually - it's just a) so far away b) too expensive to get there and c) it's winter time in July.
>
>although it's probably 30� in the winter over there..

You average winter temperature's about 15 degrees. A bit like summer here.

>What I never understood about that Pauline Hanson woman was how a country that is at least 95% uninhabited could have a problem with "overcrowding".
>
>None of the Australians I asked understood either, though admittedly a lot of them were trying to serve someone else's pint at the time.

Pauline Hanson was not representative of the political views of the majority of Australians and these days she is largely forgotton. She was a stupid, ignorant, racist with really dumb ideas, such as the one you quote above.

"Pauline Hanson was not representative of the political views of the majority of Australians"

Was she too liberal for them?

>"Pauline Hanson was not representative of the political views of the majority of Australians"
>
>Was she too liberal for them?

Is that what you honestly think Jon? I suspect you're just trying to wind me up.

Yeah, Ok...

Well, we've dealt with Austrailians coming over to the UK and moaning about it for long enough. Now they're doing it over the internet. Is there no escape? Look, we're sorry about the convict thing, yes, you are better at cricket, and well done for hosting the Olympics. Will you leave us alone now?

Look, right, if we hadn't sent you over to Australia, what would you be now, eh? You'd be British! So don't tell us you had the worst deal, alright?

>>That's what people keep telling me, but I like winter. In summer you can't take enough clothes off, in winter you can always put more clothes on.<<

Finally, someone who understands that concept. I don't cope well with heat - I just get grumpy, but in winter you can make yourself warm. Admittedly that means sometimes you look like a Micheline (is that right?) man, but you've got the coice at least. If I ever manage to have enough money to go to Australia I'll try to avoid summer at all costs, 15 degrees sounds about right for me :o)

Lisa, you'll be fine. London isn't very well set up for hot weather, especially the tube. Airconditioning? I reckon that might help if they ever try it.
Being a part-time goth, I'm not a great lover of heat, but I cope with summer fine.
An aboriginal friend of my Grandmother's said the trick is not to fight it, just to go with the temperature. I've used this method when dressed in full Victorian regalia (including steel-boned corset) in 40o C heat. By virtue of this I think I'd be a dab hand at holding out under torture. Must remember to join the secret service...
April is the Comedy Festival, mid-autumn. Good weather, good comedy. Come then.

>Being a part-time goth....

And yes, along with the cockroaches I will survive nuclear winter (according to Uncle Nick Cave)

>Being a part-time goth

I really can't understand that concept. Do you mean that you take the funky eyeliner off to sleep, or whatever? Even when I'm wearing a winciette nighty I'm still mentally in black.


> I've used this method when dressed in full Victorian regalia (including steel-boned corset) in 40o C heat.

G'hhhh.
Excuse me....

>Lisa, you'll be fine. London isn't very well set up for hot weather, especially the tube. Airconditioning? I reckon that might help if they ever try it.

yeah, the tube isn't airconditioned. it saves weight - air con units for those carriages would be very heavy. well, quite heavy.

when the tubes are moving properly the forced vaccumn effect keeps fresh air flowing nicely - but I agree when it gets crowded this isn't enough.

anyway, where would the excess heat go if the trains has air con? it wouldn't be very efficient would it :O)

Joe, you *really* spend too much time pondering such matters. I'd hoped the dry cleaning fluid would have cured you.

And excuse me, but how could anyone not appreciate Rolf Harris? The man is a Demi-God!

>Joe, you *really* spend too much time pondering such matters. I'd hoped the dry cleaning fluid would have cured you.


Engineers. Evil things.

> And excuse me, but how could anyone not appreciate Rolf Harris? The man is a Demi-God!

I would agree, if he stopped presenting that bobbins 'Animal Hospital' and made a new series of 'Rolf's Cartoon Club'.

"You can join today!"

*resists urge to do clich�d quote*

oh, and yeah, my long winter nights are spent thinking about air conditioning and how to kill budgies.

long live engineers.

they make the world go round.

>oh, and yeah, my long winter nights are spent thinking about air conditioning and how to kill budgies.

I KNEW IT WAS YOU!!!!