What was wrong with If I Ruled The World? Posted Wed Aug 30 11:54:46 BST 2000 by Bean Is A Carrot

I thought it was hilarious and very, very clever. I was very depressed to hear that Jane Root axed it. It was a shining light in the dark tunnel of dumbed down comedy TV.

So why didn't people like it?


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Posted By TJ on Wed Aug 30 12:04:38 BST 2000:

_People_ did.

It was Jane Root who didn't.


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 12:16:07 BST 2000:

Could it be because of Jeremy Hardy's involvement in real-life political campaigning? Just a guess.


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Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Wed Aug 30 12:21:01 BST 2000:

I didn't realise Jeremy Hardy had been involved in any political campaigning? Who for? And what did he do for them?


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Posted By Richard on Wed Aug 30 12:23:48 BST 2000:

>I didn't realise Jeremy Hardy had been involved in any political campaigning? Who for? And what did he do for them?

I don't know exactly, but he as always struck me as a bit of a lefty who criticized govt policy on Northern Irish security issues. Funny bloke, if he keeps his politics out of it.


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Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Wed Aug 30 12:29:37 BST 2000:

>>I didn't realise Jeremy Hardy had been involved in any political campaigning? Who for? And what did he do for them?
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>I don't know exactly, but he as always struck me as a bit of a lefty who criticized govt policy on Northern Irish security issues. Funny bloke, if he keeps his politics out of it.

Surely the fact that he was involved in politics made his appearances on IIRTW even more insightful and funny. I don't see how him being invovled in politics made the show crap or caused it to be axed. It was very funny and very insightful, please explain your point!


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 12:48:13 BST 2000:

He put up the money for the appeal of someone in prison for IRA bombings, a few years back, but I don't remember the details. Oh, he also organised a benefit gig, and Ardal O'Hanlon appeared, which caused him to get a slating in the News Of The World or something like that ("Fr. Ted Star supports IRA man", roughly) which I read Hardy raging about in The Guardian. I think he's also involved in local government stuff, or campaigning against grammar schools, that sort of thing.

I saw him years ago and thought he was great, didn't mind the politics even though I didn't agree with some of it. His Guardian column is just a left-wing critique of Blairism, like Nick Cohen in The Observer but without the legwork of background research (probably due to spce restrictions, rather than choice).


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Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Wed Aug 30 13:04:19 BST 2000:

>He put up the money for the appeal of someone in prison for IRA bombings, a few years back, but I don't remember the details. Oh, he also organised a benefit gig, and Ardal O'Hanlon appeared, which caused him to get a slating in the News Of The World or something like that ("Fr. Ted Star supports IRA man", roughly) which I read Hardy raging about in The Guardian. I think he's also involved in local government stuff, or campaigning against grammar schools, that sort of thing.
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>I saw him years ago and thought he was great, didn't mind the politics even though I didn't agree with some of it. His Guardian column is just a left-wing critique of Blairism, like Nick Cohen in The Observer but without the legwork of background research (probably due to spce restrictions, rather than choice).

Since when has being a right on leftie meant you lost your job at the BBC? Oh hang on, this is the year 2000. Forgot that!

In conclusion, IIRTW was great and it was unfairly axed. The End.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Wed Aug 30 13:35:38 BST 2000:

Hardy made a huge difference for the Magnet strikers in Darlington. He campaigns a lot in the Guardian, but has a huge problem securing TV work for reasons I've never quite figured out.

That C4 show with Jack Dee is probably to blame.


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 13:46:07 BST 2000:

Hmm. I never understood why Unnatural Acts/At Home With The Hardys didn't get a TV transfer. I reheard a tape of it a while back and, although it was definitely rather 80s, it was good and most of it still stood up.

And why doesn't Jack Dee have trouble getting TV work?


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Posted By Ewar Woowar on Wed Aug 30 16:12:23 BST 2000:

Because, as the Corpses pointed out that Rob Newman pointed out, "political comedy" isn't "fashionable" anymore... I prefer not to categorise except to say that something is funny or unfunny and I suspect most other people here would say the same, but try telling that to the likes of Jane Root. Or indeed the News of the World.


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Posted By TJ on Wed Aug 30 23:35:25 BST 2000:

Well, there's an easy way to get it brought back then. Change the studio set into a huge mock wine bar, leave the bar hatch open, and have Graeme Garden fall through it.


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Posted By David Balston on Thu Aug 31 01:25:59 BST 2000:

>Hmm. I never understood why Unnatural Acts/At Home With The Hardys didn't get a TV transfer. I reheard a tape of it a while back and, although it was definitely rather 80s, it was good and most of it still stood up.

It did get a stage adaptation though and rather good it was too. I believe it was the Stage show was retitled 'At Home with the Hardys' "to prevent the wrong sort of people going to the show with the wrong idea" and the title stuck.

I was a complete devotee of 'If I Ruled the World' (fantastic to hear I am not alone anymore) and was rather upset to here of it's demise, it seemed to be getting popular even with my colleagues at work. I have been to many of the recordings (including the pilot where Graeme was not the team captain but just a guest) and they have to cut out so much amusing material to fit the time slot.

Maybe the prospect of another election will resurrect this top show. Well I can dream can't I?


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Posted By subbes on Thu Aug 31 03:01:52 BST 2000:

I'm still kicking myself that I didn't go when I could have.


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Posted By in tha biz on Fri Sep 1 21:33:40 BST 2000:

Is it possible the show was axed for other reasons? Was the guy who devised and produced it a man with a reputation?


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Posted By subbes on Fri Sep 1 22:58:37 BST 2000:

*furrowed brow*

Not that I can remember, though thinking back, Graeme did seem to be loathing every minute of his appearance. it may have just been the way the show was condensed from what was (apparently) a very long and entertaining filming session, but it certainly did come across onscreen.


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Posted By Joe4SOTCAA on Fri Sep 1 23:13:34 BST 2000:

I would love to know if Root or any of her lot have actually read this forum. And if so, what justifications do they give themselves so as not to regard it a 'significant' opinion.

Keep fighting. Please. I'm still old-fashioned enough to believe that things can be changed.


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Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Mon Sep 4 09:40:21 BST 2000:

>*furrowed brow*
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>Not that I can remember, though thinking back, Graeme did seem to be loathing every minute of his appearance. it may have just been the way the show was condensed from what was (apparently) a very long and entertaining filming session, but it certainly did come across onscreen.

On the contrary Graeme Garden was very disappointed that the show was axed. And he ALWAYS looks like he loathes every minute of his performances, but he doesn't.


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