That magician bloke on C4 last night Posted Tue Aug 29 18:15:25 BST 2000 by Anonymous

How the fuck did he do that?

Someone please tell me.


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Posted By Richard Herring on Tue Aug 29 20:04:52 BST 2000:

It was weird, cos some of it was pretty obvious (but brilliantly done) slight of hand. But then other stuff I could only really explain by the fact that the public were all plants.
But the stuff where he touched that woman's heart and told her her friend would always be there was very powerful.
The only thing I could think of was that he was Satan.


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Posted By Al on Tue Aug 29 20:20:06 BST 2000:

Yeah - I saw his last special and thought 'brilliant slight of hand' (apart from the levitation and the one where the card ends up in the shop window) but last night... woah. He's not right I tell you. Ex CIA Remote Viewer? If the public in it are plants they are the best actors in the world.


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Posted By Mr Griffiths on Tue Aug 29 21:36:45 BST 2000:

You gullible fools! There's no such thing as magic or CIA remote viewing. It's all pretend. Of course they were plants. Why go to all that bother of developing preternatural abilities when you can just pay some doofus to pretend something miraculous has happened.

After all, that's what Jesus did.


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Posted By Richard Herring on Tue Aug 29 21:57:22 BST 2000:

No. I still think it's most likely that he is Satan.


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Posted By sheep on Tue Aug 29 22:03:46 BST 2000:

On Tuesday 5th September at 9pm, Sky present "Secrets of National Security Revealed".

Er, sorry

"Secrets of Street Magicians Finally Revealed"

So maybe that will help.

Or not.

I'd prefer to see "secrets of street musicians finally revealed".


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Posted By Mr Griffiths on Tue Aug 29 22:07:41 BST 2000:

Apropos of the Dark Lord: I once entered a Christian teen chatroom and started asking the occupants about Satan and one response I got was:

CHRISTIAN #1: (IN A JIM CAREY ACE VENTURA VOICE) Satan is suuuuuuuch a loser!

Made me laugh all day.


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Posted By [email protected] on Tue Aug 29 22:13:00 BST 2000:

S8N IZ LIKE REAL L4M3, d00d!


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Posted By Mr Griffiths on Tue Aug 29 22:17:22 BST 2000:

I'm tempted to type 'LOL' but acknowledge I should be kicked in the jaw for doing so.

When I tried to bring up that last message I clicked on the email address by mistake. For a second I contemplated an epistolary debate with a fictional Christian.


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Posted By Some of the Underwear is Amusing on Tue Aug 29 23:11:48 BST 2000:

>On Tuesday 5th September at 9pm, Sky present "Secrets of National Security Revealed".
>
>Er, sorry
>
>"Secrets of Street Magicians Finally Revealed"
>
>So maybe that will help.
>
>Or not.
>
>I'd prefer to see "secrets of street musicians finally revealed".
>
> >>>>Damm, must be a print error in my Sky Guide. It's listed as "When Street Magicians Attack".


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Posted By Joe on Wed Aug 30 00:56:27 BST 2000:

>You gullible fools! There's no such thing as magic or CIA remote viewing. It's all pretend. Of course they were plants.

I was told to leave the room after pointing out that all of the actors reacted to the tricks in identical 'i'm an out of work actor/he's going to give me some money' way, by just looking confused for a while/over-reacting and shouting a bit with their street freinds. I love the way the jaunty camera style handily allows vital bits of the trick to go out of shot - the real magic lies in the fact that the viewers would not believe such a cheap and crap lot of tricks would ever get made into a programme if they were as contrived as they so obviously are. ie. 'He wouldn't dare lie to us, surely?'
Example:
David B - think of a number
Woman - ok
DB - 333
Woman - oh my god! (looks stunned for too long), i don't beleive it.
DB - (looks cool, and at the same time smug)

But then again, i'm spoiling the magical illusion.


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Posted By kinder surprise on Wed Aug 30 06:10:38 BST 2000:

They're not actors. The thing about magic is that it's always one step ahead. The trick is to make things seem immediate when really they are planned long in advance. But you are only ever shown shots of the reactions of those he has performed tricks on, what you don't see are the strategic preparations. Forcing a card psycologically is so effective but still it's only a trick. There are visual and vocal means of doing so, notice he asks the lady a mathmatical selective process when choosing her card and guesses it correctly by the splendour of laws and averages.

Some tricks take hours of planning. Chances are he teamed up with the police officer's boss who slipped the card into his shoe earlier in the day, then for the magic to happen it's just a matter of forcing a card using sleight of hand and dazzling as the police officer in no way connects what he has just seen performed and previous events of the day.

Magicians always have accomplaces too, guessing personal info takes at least some cooperation with a close friend of theirs. And the trick where he projected a number into the little girl's mind was quite obviously done by bluffing that he wrote something initially and then as he misdirected by starring scarily into her eyes and asking her to say the number he simultaneously wrote it on the pad using a concealed writing utencil - perhaps lead under his nail.

But it's not that I wish to destroy the illusion.


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Posted By kinder surprise on Wed Aug 30 07:29:43 BST 2000:

P.S Just read somewhere that the fly trick was done by using a frozen fly and bringing it back to life by defrosting it with the heat of the mans hand. Incredible!


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 07:54:43 BST 2000:

Surely the proof that magicians don't have supernatural powers lies in the fact that Jerry Sadowitz can't get a more inspiring TV slot than that C5 thing, and before then he only got 4 episodes of "The Pall Bearer's Revue", and his live album got withdrawn, and he's only done 1 video whereas Ben Elton's done loads of the fuckers... I could go on, but I think I've shown that science and reason can cast away the darkness of superstition.

And that American one in the film advert, he's just a fraud, simple as that.


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Posted By jason hazeley on Wed Aug 30 10:32:27 BST 2000:

he's quite brilliant at what he does, though, and it's triffic tv. but i once read how he levitates (it's more complicated than it seems, believe me) and i'm still fucking furious about what a sodding cheap trick it is in reality. but i like david blaine. big up his chest.

j xxx


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Posted By Squidy on Wed Aug 30 11:27:21 BST 2000:

From Variety Online:

'Last night, magic man David Blaine announced at a packed press conference that he was "in league with the devil" and he would be allowed to perform amazing and astounding tricks to the American public, all along the line of 'Pick a card, any card', in exchange for his soul at the end of a 25 year period. This announcement comes days after Ali G admitted to selling his soul to appear in the new Madonna video. 'It's a disgrace' says BBC programme controller Jane Root. 'In the past, only people with talent were allowed on television. Nowadays all you have to do is sign a contract with the eternal evil and pledge to throw your soul into the deepest recesses of hell for all eternity. What happened to people like Victoria Wood? Or John 'Parrot Face' Davies, that's what I want to know."
'"Well, I sold my soul as well," squarked John 'Parrot Face' Davies, let out for a rare interview from the very depths of Hell. "If it wasn't for that deal I made with Satan 40 odd years ago, I wouldn't be here talking to you now."
'He continued "I believe this admittance by Blaine could be a good thing. It may encourage other members of the entertainment community to admit to selling their soul in exchange for fame. It's not a new occurance. People like David Frost and Ronnie Corbett have been doing it since the sixties, but it was in the eighties when it hit it's peak, mainly in the music industry, however. Tony Hadley has admitted to 'doing a Faust', as we in the business call it, as have half the members of Duran Duran. Then it went rather quiet in the early ninties. It's only recently became popular again, mainly with saturday evening game show hosts and Big Breakfast presenters."
'We asked Jane Root for a comment on this but she was busy trying to delete Goodies epsiodes and told us to fuck off.'


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Posted By 'David Blaine' on Wed Aug 30 11:33:38 BST 2000:

Think of a vegetable.


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Posted By 'David Blaine' on Wed Aug 30 11:34:37 BST 2000:

Was it a carrot?

See, that's how its done.


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Posted By Ailie on Wed Aug 30 11:42:21 BST 2000:

>Was it a carrot?

No. I thought of a potato.


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Posted By PJ on Wed Aug 30 12:20:48 BST 2000:

And that's why internet magic doesn't work.


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 12:52:04 BST 2000:

Because the internet pixies interfere with it, stupid.


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Posted By Al on Wed Aug 30 13:36:10 BST 2000:

BTW I'm sure Kinder is right about the complexity of Blaine's tricks - I'm almost positive the members of the public aren't plants.

BTW2 CIA Remote Viewing did and does exist. Ask Jane's Defence Weekly if you don't believe me. The Pentagon spent several million dollars on it through the 70s, 80s and 90s. Doesn't mean it works though...

And how did he do the 'Dawn' thing eh?


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Posted By Sam D on Wed Aug 30 13:47:55 BST 2000:

>Some tricks take hours of planning. Chances are he teamed up with the police officer's boss who slipped the card into his shoe earlier in the day...

Is that really part of an American Police Chief's powers, Kinder? They all have right of access to all their sub-ordinates shoes?

Police officer:"Sir, what in the name of tarnation are you doing with my leg?"
Chief: "Dagnabbit, Abbernacky, quit the jibber-jabber and remove the goddam shoe!"
P.O: "Gee Willerkins, sir, this ain't in the NYPD training fosset ass alluminum.."
C: "Fanny-sack, wiener garbage hash-brown."


They're American, you see.


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Posted By Sam D on Wed Aug 30 13:50:16 BST 2000:

He is really impressive though. I too decided that a lot of his tricks were so bloomin' odd that actors must have been involved.
I'm willing to accept that this is not the case, though, having read the explanations.
In fact, I'd like to accept it as magic.
Satan, though? Not sure about that.


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Posted By Jon on Wed Aug 30 13:52:24 BST 2000:

"I'm almost positive the members of the public aren't plants."

Did they stay in the same place, contain chlorophyll, and photosynthesise glucose from carbon dioxide and water? My biology teacher told me those were the tell-tale signs.

If they were just ordinary morons off the street, they'd go along with anything anyway. Hapless plebs.


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Posted By Ailie on Wed Aug 30 13:57:24 BST 2000:

Richard: I like the Satan theory very much, but he didn't seem to be particularly evil... Are you suggesting that Christanity has misrepresented Satan all these years?

Are you suggesting that christian based religions might encompass some LIES?!

Since he's not all that evil, could he possibly be God?


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Posted By Bill S Preston Esq on Wed Aug 30 23:33:25 BST 2000:

>Richard: I like the Satan theory very much, but he didn't seem to be particularly evil... Are you suggesting that Christanity has misrepresented Satan all these years?

Yeah, we were *totally* lied to by our album covers!


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Posted By subbes on Thu Aug 31 02:55:37 BST 2000:

That levitation trick is evilly simple.

Even *I* could do it. In fact, I just did.


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Posted By Ewar Woowar on Thu Aug 31 11:43:04 BST 2000:


>P.O: "Gee Willerkins, sir, this ain't in the NYPD training fosset ass alluminum.."
>C: "Fanny-sack, wiener garbage hash-brown."
>
>
>They're American, you see.
>

<snigger>

I remember seeing a programme about David Blaine a while back in which he was interviewed by Leonardo DiCaprio and I was very impressed with him then - he was obviously very talented and I liked his laid-back, humourous style. However on that programme the other night I thought he came across as rather smug and pompous, and all the fun and humour was gone. Shame.


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Posted By Anonymous on Thu Aug 31 12:13:59 BST 2000:

Yeah, but what about the chickens head? how'd he do that?


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Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 12:33:03 BST 2000:

By trickery.


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Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Aug 31 13:54:25 BST 2000:

>>Some tricks take hours of planning. Chances are he teamed up with the police officer's boss who slipped the card into his shoe earlier in the day...
>
>Is that really part of an American Police Chief's powers, Kinder? They all have right of access to all their sub-ordinates shoes?
>
>Police officer:"Sir, what in the name of tarnation are you doing with my leg?"
>Chief: "Dagnabbit, Abbernacky, quit the jibber-jabber and remove the goddam shoe!"
>P.O: "Gee Willerkins, sir, this ain't in the NYPD training fosset ass alluminum.."
>C: "Fanny-sack, wiener garbage hash-brown."
>
>
>They're American, you see.
>

LMAO! Oh dear that was funny. My explanations were quite anal weren't they? Are you a member of the magic circle Sam?


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Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 31 14:03:21 BST 2000:

Anal.. circle... geddit?

Where have you been, kinder?


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Posted By Sam D on Thu Aug 31 14:03:34 BST 2000:

Unfortunately not, but I did get a Paul Daniels Annual for Christmas in about 1980.
Why would anyone do that to their son?


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Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Aug 31 14:35:48 BST 2000:

>Anal.. circle... geddit?
>
>Where have you been, kinder?

Which time span are we referring to Jon? The 27 years in which you were unaware of me?


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Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Aug 31 14:37:41 BST 2000:

>Unfortunately not, but I did get a Paul Daniels Annual for Christmas in about 1980.
>Why would anyone do that to their son?

lol. I take it 'annual' is in reference to an activity he partakes in rather than a hardback.


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Posted By Unruly Butler on Mon Sep 4 03:40:08 BST 2000:

Re what R.Herring said about the "moving" scene from David Blaine's show...

Bearing in mind that David Blaine is an entertainer, and says so in his programmes, his crossing over into the world of spiritualism (after he had guessed the name of that woman's dead best friend) was EXTREMELY DODGY. He'd finished the trick, and impressed her (and the audience), but he pushed it too far when he said "She's all right" or "She misses you" or whatever it was...

That's really screwing with a punter's emotions. Blaine is a trickster - and a very good one - but he can't speak with the dead. No-one can. An entertainer giving false hope like this is like, oh I don't know, Bruce Forsyth giving medical advice...

That was the one moment where the psychological manipulation of his victims went too far. It really jarred and spoilt the show.

And, yes, he did look smug, didn't he?


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