Woody Allen Posted Thu Aug 10 21:51:19 BST 2000 by Justin

He's still great, I'd argue. Deconstructing Harry, in particular, was hilarious (Robin Williams' out-of-focus cameo was his best celluloid performance since Vietnam - not hard, I grant you).

Hell, I like most things he's done - although Interiors is ponderous and pretentious, Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex scrappy, and Celebrity I haven't touched (as I saw a clip showing Branagh attempting Woody - toe-curling).

Five best ones: Annie Hall, Crimes & Misdemeanours, Zelig, Love & Death, Deconstructing Harry.

And I haven't even begun on his peerless stand-up work....



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Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Thu Aug 10 22:18:08 BST 2000:

Sleeper, Take the Money and Run, Zelig.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Aug 11 00:14:57 BST 2000:

Take the Money and Run (even if the direction was terrible), Another Woman, Annie Hall, husbands and wives, Purple Rose Of Cairo.

I'd stick up for Interiors. It's a film he had to do and can be approached independantly of his other work. 'Alice' however, was shit. It's UK premiere was at 4Am on C4.

I was never struck by Deconstructing Harry, Justin. Not that I'm disagreeing over Williams but the jump-cut technique was too overworked. All very organic but it got in the way of what seemed a promising script. He seemed to be searching for ideas...

I hear 'Celebrity' is OK, but he should have learnt not to do black and white films after 'Shadows & Fog' killed his career.

And I'm absolutely sick to death of people going on about the Soon Yi 'thing'.

Anyway, keep the ball rolling.


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Posted By Mike J on Fri Aug 11 11:29:59 BST 2000:

"Play It Again, Sam", "Manhattan", "Broadway Danny Rose", "Hannah and Her Sisters" - all tip-top. Excellent stand-up, good writer too ("Side Effects").

I could do without the relentless Bergmanising in some films (wasn't "Deconstructing Harry" basically "Wild Strawberries" in plot?), and I have it on good authority that "Celebrity" is genuinely dire.

Keeps churning them out though, doesn't he? One a year for 25 years? More prolific than The Fall. Less so than Merzbow.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Aug 11 11:46:34 BST 2000:

I think The Fall have an edge, if you include an equivelant number of rent-a-singer collaborations. And I stand here as someone who actually *bought* 'Scenes From A Mall'.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Aug 11 11:53:32 BST 2000:

Incidentally, I laugh at all these people buying the 50CD Merzbow box until I actually meet one with a CD burner as well.

£50. That'll do nicely.


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Posted By Bent Halo on Fri Aug 11 11:54:34 BST 2000:

Oh, and you're right about 'Deconstructing Harry'/'Strawberries'.


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Posted By SOTCAA on Fri Aug 11 18:36:40 BST 2000:

You have the most eyes I've ever seen.


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Posted By Al on Fri Aug 11 19:03:47 BST 2000:

I don't like Woody Allen. Is it just me?


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Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Fri Aug 11 19:33:07 BST 2000:

I love the rain. It washes memories off the sidewalks of life.


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Posted By Al on Fri Aug 11 20:48:57 BST 2000:

I guess I'll take that as a 'yes'...


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Posted By Peter Ohanraohanrahan on Fri Aug 11 21:08:46 BST 2000:

Oh my gad... Al, here I am, talking to complete strangers on the Internet... the only place where there isn't a McDonalds... knowing my luck, I'll get a home page and then they'll open one next door... oh gee, and then there's all the perverts, preying on kids... I should fit right it...


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Posted By Justin on Fri Aug 11 21:51:45 BST 2000:

Deconstructing Harry - well, I found it a really funny script with some terrific set pieces (the Hell scene is equally superb), although, granted, perhaps the editing's a bit stylised and annoying. Maybe I should've been more specific - they're my *favourite* Allen movies rather than best.

I also wanted to challenge the lazy notion that he made all his good films early on, and ran out of ideas after Stardust Memories. Because it isn't true, and DH was the one of recent years (ie last five years) that I enjoyed the most.

(Mind you, today, I thought I probably should've included Broadway Danny Rose in my top five. Or Bananas. Take The Money's my girlfriend's favourite (tie with Bullets Over Broadway - and there's another one....!)


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Posted By londo on Sat Aug 12 14:14:32 BST 2000:

rain can was yer Big Mac away too...be afraid...


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Posted By Mark on Sat Aug 12 18:23:04 BST 2000:

Earlier stuff - great:
Take the Money and run
Bananas
Play it again Sam

Brilliant and stupid.

Annie Hall - the turning point:
Stupid, but getting far more intellectual.

A bit like (dare I say), Steve Martin,
earlier stuff great: stupid, with a turning
point at "All of Me" - stupid and getting
more intellectual.

Maybe this says a lot about me, but
big stupid belly laughs for me hit the point.


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