Edinburgh Or Bust Posted Thu Aug 10 14:10:50 BST 2000 by The Other Corpses Editor

Hey, does anybody remember, a few years ago, some Edinburgh Documentary looking behind the scenes at the Perrier - don't think it was 'Edinburgh Or Bust' (it wasn't a promo tool for the Gilded Balloon - it was an actual documentary with information in it and stuff).

On the Perrier panel was a 'member of the public' (the usual competition winner) who was a right bolshy little bugger and very quick to cynically question all the ridiculous set-ups and silliness. The 'controversy' revolved around a Scotsman critic (name escapes me) who'd turned his hand to stand-up and was rubbish. Yet he was on the Perrier shortlist. I think another Scotsman critic gave him a five-star review (but this was 'edited down' to four stars because it might have looked a bit obvious). It later transpired, to the bolshy Perrier bloke's incredulous delight, that the reviewer was also a mate of the critic/stand-up in question. The reviewer (an old mate of The Corpses from way back, incidentally) was interviewed over the five/four stars thing and, when it was suggested that perhaps shouldn't have given the bloke five stars what with the sheer incestuousness of it all, answered 'Well, you have to consider people's feelings'.

The critic/stand-up was later filmed doing a routine at 'Late & Live' and obviously got heckled to oblivion. Still amazed that he allowed himself to go through it (maybe he believed his own PR - or the PR written by somebody who didn't want to hurt his feelings).

Now this was only about three years ago. The documentary obviously had nothing but contempt for insider backscratching and undercover PR. The bolshy Perrier bloke was tops. The idea of reviewers 'considering people's feelings' and giving them glowing reviews was rightly mocked. So what's happened? The complete reverse seems to be the case now. The media is sucking its own cock, desperate to be positive about everything.

Have I got this right, Mike?


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Posted By Sorrel on Thu Aug 10 16:31:47 BST 2000:

I seem to vaguely remember this. Wasn't it part of a series of documentaries. I think they did one about a theatre crictic as well.


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Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 10 16:50:36 BST 2000:

I think the guy in question was comedy critic for The Independent. The point was that all the circuit comics deliberately turned out to heckle him for the gig he did at the end. But I read once that it was edited to fit a pre-decided story, and that the critic actually did OK (well, he said he'd come back the next year, on the programme). Dunno if the latter story is true.


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Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Aug 10 17:20:16 BST 2000:

Oh yes, yes I remember this programme. Wasn't the critic turned comic's name Ian Shuttleworth? That's how I remember him anyway. His material consisted of holding up quotes and riduculing them.


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Posted By Jon on Thu Aug 10 17:48:11 BST 2000:

Yaeh, I'm sure it was an Ian. I read that one of his opening lines was "I'm a cretin - er, critic!" ie. He pretends to say the wrong word out of panic, then realises and corrects himself in a split second.


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Posted By kinder surprise on Thu Aug 10 18:04:50 BST 2000:

You're bringing the memories flooding back Jon. And Sean Hughes was interviewed confessing to booing him off stage.


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Posted By Mike for SOTCAA on Thu Aug 10 18:09:17 BST 2000:

Hang on, Joe, I've got the tape here...

It was part of Jon Ronson's series 'Critical Condition', broadcast by C4 on 5 August 1998. It followed Financial Times comedy critic Ian Shuttleworth premiering his show 'Critical Mass' at the Festival the previous year. The man on the Perrier panel who nominated him was Times theatre critic and friend of Ian's, James Christopher. The incredulous bloke who said 'hang on a minute' was called Rory.

It's a superb documentary, and should be required viewing for anyone who thinks SOTCAA is populated by paranoid conspiracy hunters. A full transcript will appear here pretty soon.


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Posted By Justin on Thu Aug 10 20:20:28 BST 2000:

>Hang on, Joe, I've got the tape here...
>
>It was part of Jon Ronson's series 'Critical Condition', broadcast by C4 on 5 August 1998. It followed Financial Times comedy critic Ian Shuttleworth premiering his show 'Critical Mass' at the Festival the previous year. The man on the Perrier panel who nominated him was Times theatre critic and friend of Ian's, James Christopher. The incredulous bloke who said 'hang on a minute' was called Rory.
>
>It's a superb documentary, and should be required viewing for anyone who thinks SOTCAA is populated by paranoid conspiracy hunters. A full transcript will appear here pretty soon.
>

I saw it, and it was class. There was another one with Christopher Tookey (guardian of the nation's morals/film critic for...can you guess? Two points), and there was one about opera critics although I missed that one.


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Posted By Proddy McDowell on Sat Aug 12 14:55:32 BST 2000:

I think Shuttleworth did return to do another show the next year (his posters proclaiming a five-star review from the Sctosman). If memory serves, one paper gave his second show one star, stating 'Like a dog returning to its own vomit....', and isn't that what Stewart Lee has on his blurb this year?


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Posted By McGinty on Wed Aug 16 03:51:55 BST 2000:

'Rory' is Rory Ford, now a journalist at the Edinburgh Evening News. If you're interested


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Posted By Rob S on Wed Aug 16 16:24:27 BST 2000:

Full transcript of the show now in the 'Comment' section of SOTCAA...


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Posted By Ewar Woowar on Wed Aug 16 17:05:29 BST 2000:

Now that's not strictly true, is it Rob? Very accurate depiction, though...but the standard of illustration is dropping slightly. That's a point - the artwork on this site must've been done on a PC - why not buy a modem to go with it? They're only about £40 these days...


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Posted By Rob S on Wed Aug 16 17:19:46 BST 2000:

Transcript of the Jon Ronson's series 'Critical Condition' - not Edinburgh or Bust ...


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Posted By Joe4SOTCAA on Sat Aug 26 14:07:25 BST 2000:

>the artwork on this site must've been done on a PC - why not buy a modem to go with it? They're only about £40 these days...

£40 more than I can afford, Ewar. Then of course there's the matter of a net account. And perhaps an outgoing phone-line might help too. And I imagine there'll be subsequent phone bills to consider. Still, let me eat cake, eh?

Sorry you didn't like the drawings. They would have been screengrabs but my vid-capture's broken at the moment. They're probably rubbish in that piece due to a passionate disdain for the subject matter.


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