It was the 'I Love 1972' show, Jon. And Burchill was crap. As usual.

And what a pathetic squeaky voice she has. I had always imagined something more like Jabba the Hutt.

(name removed), the cartoonist.

And (name removed). Who probably does something else, I expect.

Rob, this must be a pain in the arse, deleting all these.

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>Rob, this must be a pain in the arse, deleting all these.


Not as much as you are.

Why are you even doing it? Fine, they write the site. And you're a c**t. Let's not name names, eh?

>It was the 'I Love 1972' show, Jon. And Burchill was crap. As usual.

As was most of the rest of it. Factual errors galore (The New Seekers got offered the UK Eurovision entry BECAUSE of I'd Like To Teach, not the other way round; Magpie actually began as long ago as 1968; what the hell was Aretha Franklin's "I Say A Little Prayer" doing there? released in 1968) and the usual talking heads balls.

The clips are alright, but a chimp could have unearthed those.

BTW Wayne Hemingway - should I know who he is? Because his opinion is sought on just about everything.

>BTW Wayne Hemingway - should I know who he is? Because his opinion is sought on just about everything.

Isn't he a fashion designer? But who was the 'writer' with a hairdo like a toilet brush?

Wayne Hemingway, iirc, runs Red Or Dead.

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I think you mean John Robb, who used to be in The Membranes and later Sensurround (signed to Saint Etienne's Ice Rink label - didn't you have one of their singles at once point, Al?). Anyway, he was also a music journalist (Sounds and later Select), and wrote a sadly rubbish book about the 1990s not long ago (bit obvious, that, it would have been recent, wouldn't it).

Isn't John Robb in Goldblade? If they're still around.

Also, didn't Hemmingway have a piss-poor fashion slot on Big Breakfast, where he got models to dress in ridiculous clothes and parade around a bit? (pretty standard modelling job i imagine)

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>I think you mean John Robb, who used to be in The Membranes and later Sensurround (signed to Saint Etienne's Ice Rink label - didn't you have one of their singles at once point, Al?).

Oh yeah. I have two actually, 'Blind Faith', and 'When I Get to Heaven' - they're both corking. But not particularly 1972 related...

>Also, didn't Hemmingway have a piss-poor fashion slot on Big Breakfast, where he got models to dress in ridiculous clothes and parade around a bit? (pretty standard modelling job i imagine)

He still does...but Julie Burchill oooh didn't she display her working class roots to full effect on that 1972 thing? Down with Capitalism and um...all that!

Wayne Hemingway is the founder of Red Or Dead clothes shops. And yes, they might as well have asked Ernest Hemingway.

>Oh yeah. I have two actually, 'Blind Faith', and 'When I Get to Heaven' - they're both corking. But not particularly 1972 related...

Oh, I don't know. Sensurround was a uniquely 70s phenomenon, wasn't it? Used to tempt the punters into trashy disaster movies at the flicks. What exactly was it anyway? Some early form of Dolby Surround? Or were actual vibrating seats involved?

I saw Battlestar Galactica in sensurround - and the vibrating seats were infinitely more interesting than the film. (Actually that's po-faced revisionism. I was 8 at the time and thought it was ace.)

and write this website.

The point of this spamming is to 'out' them and their opinions and make them face the people they have anonymously attacked.

And yes, I do see the irony in doing it anonymously.

Justin done:

>As was most of the rest of it. Factual errors galore (The New Seekers got offered the UK Eurovision entry BECAUSE of I'd Like To Teach, not the other way round; Magpie actually began as long ago as 1968; what the hell was Aretha Franklin's "I Say A Little Prayer" doing there? released in 1968) and the usual talking heads balls.

Didn't see this latest one but just a general comment here - the programmes are supposed to sum up what was around in the years they "do", not just be about things that, say, started in the respective year. yeh, Magpie began in 1968, but kids were still watching it in 1972. I see no problem with its inclusion (if it was all done like Rock 'n' Roll Years, there'd be a bit of a bottleneck 'round '76, I'd have thought).

>The clips are alright, but a chimp could have unearthed those.

Oh, that's an *awful* thing to say. Talk about an example of the arrogance featuring so prominently on this forum. Okay, not every film researcher is 96 years old with an encyclopedic knowledge of The Sky At Night Tx tape library, but it's a pretty skilled job for anyone to do.

>BTW Wayne Hemingway - should I know who he is? Because his opinion is sought on just about everything.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, he's a (Manchester-based) fashion designer who has had guest slots on The BB.

Thinking about it further, journalists and your actual 'there-at-the-time' contributors aside, the associations are pretty clear:
Jamie Theak - Radio One
Ainsley H - Can't Cook Won't Cook
Chris Donald - Viz
Wayne H - The Big Breakfast

They're after the student market, aren't they?

Cheerio

Steve

>Didn't see this latest one but just a general comment here - the programmes are supposed to sum up what was around in the years they "do", not just be about things that, say, started in the respective year. yeh, Magpie began in 1968, but kids were still watching it in 1972.

The intimation in the programme was that Magpie was devised in that year as a Blue Peter alternative. I got the impression that the programme's producers chose not to mention such details because, well..."they [the viewers] won't notice/won't care". As for that New Seekers bit, that was just sloppy research - a cursory glance at Guinness Hit Singles would have corrected them.

I see no problem with its inclusion (if it was all done like Rock 'n' Roll Years, there'd be a bit of a bottleneck 'round '76, I'd have thought).
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Rock N Roll Years was excellent, incidentally - and deserves a repeat. Now.

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>Oh, that's an *awful* thing to say. Talk about an example of the arrogance featuring so prominently on this forum.

...Whereas of course archivists are taken much more seriously within the TV industry, right? Rather than show amazing rarely-seen clips (perhaps accompanied by people who actually know what the f*** they're talking about), the material is cheapened by the contributions of the rest of the show. Compare the brilliance of TV Heaven/TV Hell/Rock N Roll Years with the laziness of Gaby Roslin/Philip Schofield...and now I Love The 70s. This programme should not be screened on BBC2 - it is more like BBC1.

Okay, not every film researcher is 96 years old with an encyclopedic knowledge of The Sky At Night Tx tape library, but it's a pretty skilled job for anyone to do.

I work as a music researcher (not in broadcasting, I hasten to add), and even though I (like several of my colleagues) was taken on for my specialist knowledge, I am finding my role increasingly marginalised as better-paid people with little idea or enthusiasm are coming in and arsing about with a perfectly good system. The television system appears to treat its specialists with about as much respect (less so, probably). My comment was flippant (it was only a line, after all - sorry if I offended any archivists, but they must be frustrated at the finished products that they slave over. I know I am.)

>Thinking about it further, journalists and your actual 'there-at-the-time' contributors aside, the associations are pretty clear:
>Jamie Theak - Radio One
>Ainsley H - Can't Cook Won't Cook
>Chris Donald - Viz
>Wayne H - The Big Breakfast
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I would agree with that, but what does that say about their philosophy about how to appeal to students? Pretty contemptuous, wouldn't you say? I still haven't heard a single decent explanation from anyone as to why Phill Jupitus singing the Banana Splits theme is of any use, other than to assume that those at home will shout, "Oh! Brilliant, it's that fat bloke from Buzzcocks, he knows the words to Banana Splits, that shows he's a real person just like we are. That means I can continue to live my life by the Jupitus law...etc...."

Steve - your own site could have done that series 100 times better. Don't you agree?

Justin done:

>The intimation in the programme was that Magpie was devised in that year as a Blue Peter alternative.

Fair enough. As I say, I haven't seen it. If this was the case, then they cheated the audience, really. Incidentally, watch out for some great anecdotes from a former member of the Spencer Davis Group (and the co-writer of the Magpie theme) in the near future (either a book or some stuff on ver Cream).

>...Whereas of course archivists are taken much more seriously within the TV industry, right?

Touche! Still, Greg Dyke has removed the charge for internal BBC tapes to be 'called-up' from the library so, as long as one can justify it in programme research terms, one can get a VHS of anything in the library for now't. If you work there (which I don't).

>Steve - your own site could have done that series 100 times better. Don't you agree?

Fingers crossed, we'll be doing something soon (but probably not on telly). You're appealing to the 'Cream vanity there. I should point out that there are people far, far more knowledgeable about old telly than me involved in the site (I just blow the trumpet). I know for a fact that 'I ... 70s' used TV Cream during its research (a mistake, given how many errors there are on TVC), so maybe it's all our fault. The shwo would certainly have been different if we'd have done it, but then we'd probably have taken longer, at a greater cost.

However, I think '70s' is *infinitely* preferable to the likes of Roslin/Schofield/Ross doing their blandie evening shows. To be honest, I'm pretty sick of the 100 Greatest Moments in TV Cookery style shows too. Nostalgia is *so* yesterday, maaan.

I could go on more about the lack of skilled researchers, etc., but at the end of the day, it's not the fault of the researchers, it's the fault of their employers being unwilling to invest in qualified and experienced staff. It's *all* economics in the end.

Counter that with The Sun's anti-licence fee stance, and ultimately we're going to end up with nothing but Ibiza Uncovered and Prickly Heat. Someone's got to pay for decent telly, and it seems like the BBC audience doesn't want to. Murdoch won't. If you want an example of someone with contempt for the audience, there's y' man.

TV's a shite job at the moment.

Cheerio

Steve

Incidentally, watch out for some great anecdotes from a former member of the Spencer Davis Group (and the co-writer of the Magpie theme) in the near future (either a book or some stuff on ver Cream).

Who was that, Steve?
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Good man. I know someone at the Beeb who, a couple of years ago, when finding background music for a news item, found it cheaper to buy the CD in the high street than borrow it from the BBC library.

>>Steve - your own site could have done that series 100 times better. Don't you agree?
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>Fingers crossed, we'll be doing something soon (but probably not on telly). You're appealing to the 'Cream vanity there. I should point out that there are people far, far more knowledgeable about old telly than me involved in the site (I just blow the trumpet). I know for a fact that 'I ... 70s' used TV Cream during its research (a mistake, given how many errors there are on TVC), so maybe it's all our fault.

God, no. It just goes to show that the internet is overused by people to cut corners. I do like the site, it makes me laugh.

>I could go on more about the lack of skilled researchers, etc., but at the end of the day, it's not the fault of the researchers, it's the fault of their employers being unwilling to invest in qualified and experienced staff.

Agreed. I've noticed similar things in my line of work.

>Counter that with The Sun's anti-licence fee stance, and ultimately we're going to end up with nothing but Ibiza Uncovered and Prickly Heat. Someone's got to pay for decent telly, and it seems like the BBC audience doesn't want to. Murdoch won't. If you want an example of someone with contempt for the audience, there's y' man.
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My ire wasn't just directed at the BBC - there's plenty of lazy nostalgia docs on all channels. But I got particularly narked at ILove the 70s because I really hoped it was going to be better than the norm. Never mind - I still like the clips (just wish we could see more of them).

Justin done:

>Who was that, Steve?

Some bloke called Kirk or Kurt or something. I've got the email somewhere. Not a happy chappy.

>Good man. I know someone at the Beeb who, a couple of years ago, when finding background music for a news item, found it cheaper to buy the CD in the high street than borrow it from the BBC library.

I know a producer who had to email me direct to get a copy of the Playaway theme because the sound archive didn't even *have* a copy! And I've been there with the lending shite (I *used* to work at the Beeb) - all this 'you cahrge me, I charge you, let's all rub our charge codes together' nonesense was a mockery. I know people who used to book cabs using the charge code of the programme being made in their neighbouring office. The programmes I worked on had too small a budget to be able to afford the studio hire at television centre and had to go elsewhere (presumably L&H had the same probs with TMWRNJ), leaving the TVC studios empty on that day. The sooner Dyke sorts it out the better. I certainly wouldn't go back unless things change (not that they'd miss me, mind! Ooops, there's me being arrogant!).

>God, no. It just goes to show that the internet is overused by people to cut corners. I do like the site, it makes me laugh.

Ta. Did you see the 'Dotcomedy' lazy researcher anecdote on Need To Know way-back-when? TV Cream gets about 4 or 5 emails a week either from TV researchers or Dotcom entrepreneurs trying to get us to do their work for them. I don't think we've ever answered anyone. If you can't remember the name of that programme with the dragons and the vortex and 'Gronda, gronda!' then you get an answer. If you want to know how to clear a theme for use on your TV show, fuck off. I've got more-qualified mates sitting around unemployed who could do that job.

>My ire wasn't just directed at the BBC - there's plenty of lazy nostalgia docs on all channels. But I got particularly narked at ILove the 70s because I really hoped it was going to be better than the norm. Never mind - I still like the clips (just wish we could see more of them).

Just you wait 'til I get I get my projects up and running. Anal? It'll make the Corpses' site look like guesswork!

Cheerio

Steve