Group of sad lonely men, sitting in a one bedroomed flat with techie mate next door complain about complaints of them being sad lonely men with only one techie mate. The group also slag off other peoples ideas for comedy as they have none of their own and result to base level insults. WITH HILARIOUS CONSEQUENCES (or so the stars say)

Price: Free from the 'special school'
Location: Anywhere where they obviously have to descend to the Hale and Pace humour of 'Your Mum Jokes'...

"I think it's the most incisive comedy anyone's ever done in the history of the world ever, after anything Richard Herring's done of course haha" - Any one of the Corpses

Christ, i should obviously take this kind of 'comedy' up, it's much easier, and of course, i don't sink to the level of slagging anyone off now... Hypocrits? The Corpses? NEVER!!

When, but i think it is more wise to say 'if' you ever produce anything of comic note, then you can talk. You haven't. You've just compounded the fact that you are bitter, twisted old has beens.
Well Done, you've made any thread on you being sour with life and with people in the 'real world' a whole lot easier.
Thanks.

Dan - dare I ask - what's the matter now?

Al, Lazy comedy slags on the Corpses site!
Guess who they are.... go on...

Did you guess Corpses, you win a prize!

Who are you Dan and what's your beef? You've made lots of postings but little sense. How have the Corpses upset you?

He must work for Westcountry.....

Not this shit again...

I hereby nominate Dan L as the dullest contributor to this forum.

Dear Dan L -

How can The Corpses be bitter, twisted has-beens if they've never done anything of any note? That would make them never-weres, wouldn't it?

Let's at least have non-contradictory insults...

If you don't understand what's going on here, go to www.gussetweekly.co.uk (briefly) then look at the updated Fringe Guide on SOTCAA. Dan L writes for the Gusset. That's all I'm going to say on this one.

Have I got this right?

1. Dan L is terribly, terribly unfunny
2. This website points this out
3. Dan L takes umbrage
4. But sadly not cynanide, ha ha!

No, it's no good, I can't follow this at all.

But did this really happen:

"INNES OWN TROUSERS
Ex-Bonzo Dog and Python collaborator Neil Innes presents a one-man show with reminiscences and songs from his illustrious career, marred only by a certain Christopher Morris in the audience who will talk very loudly to some short cunt in a cap about how great Peter Cook was until someone very kindly leans over and tells them both to shut the fuck up."

It sounds super.

i don't claim to be funny at all. If other people think i am or not, that's up to them... i've had far more positive feedback from my own work, some of which is on the gusset site, but, to be honest, it constitutes around 5% of my total output, if that...
It's not the slagging off of my stuff that i find 'offensive' it's the fact that someone declaring me 'unfunny' uses perhaps the most cliched and pathetic way of doing it.
thanks.

>i don't claim to be funny at all. If other people think i am or not, that's up to them... i've had far more positive feedback from my own work, some of which is on the gusset site, but, to be honest, it constitutes around 5% of my total output, if that...
>It's not the slagging off of my stuff that i find 'offensive' it's the fact that someone declaring me 'unfunny' uses perhaps the most cliched and pathetic way of doing it.
>thanks.

I find the spoof Edinburgh guide on this site to be sporadically very funny indeed, and your desperate whining is quite funny as well.

>I find the spoof Edinburgh guide on this site to be sporadically very funny indeed, and your desperate whining is quite funny as well.


Funnier than anything on that fucking 'gusset' atrocity.

DanL, just get yourself signed up as a writer for the new 11OCS series, and let's hear no more about it. Failing that, let's just hear no more about it. Anything is better than more of your drivelling.

>If you don't understand what's going on here, go to www.gussetweekly.co.uk (briefly) then look at the updated Fringe Guide on SOTCAA. Dan L writes for the Gusset. That's all I'm going to say on this one.

I have visited www.gussetweekly.co.uk , Dan L's comedy site, and would like to offer my humble and honest valuation of it.

My first thoughts were that Dan's humour is a fan's-tribute to the humour and style of The Day Today. I don't have any problem with that: Chris Morris hadn't invented a new genre. So there'll be no accusation of plagiarism from me. However the difference between Chris Morris' writing and Dan's is quite considerable. Morris' writing is sharp and eloquent. There is a skilful use of language and a masterly intuition for the right word in the right place. Dan's writing, I'm sorry to say, is rather ordinary and unimaginative:

The initial wave of refurbishment is for John Paul II to get at least one part of his body pierced. Current favourite at the moment would appear to be the left eyebrow, though some close personal aids are saying a navel adornment is very much on the cards


Dan presents an absurd imagine, a pope-makeover. But what Dan fails to do is use the right language. The writing would have benefited if Dan had used some glossy corporate language. Moreover he could have developed the story by suggesting why the Pope/Church need to improve their image. He could also have made good play exposing the mind behind the Church. Say, a Catholic Karma Sutra, a repressed sex-guide whose main purpose in to destroy the enjoyment of sex.

On the whole I didn't think Dan's site really warrants the abuse it has received. I think Dan needs to think more about the way he uses language.

See, now that is fair critique. I consider that a good response. it's not just a 'you're crap' kind of response, it's a well thought out reasoned argument...
I can see what you're coming from, and to be honest, though i enjoy writing the stories a great deal, and, after all that is the main reason i do them, my heart really lies in word play and in particular rhyme and phonetics...
Ii'd like to point out that i am not a majority writer in Gusset, it's a group thing and we use it more than anything else to push each other on further with ideas...
The language thing... hmm, i dunno,... i think, personally, a lot of the stuff the other guys use is quite clever (but then that is my opinion) it's the mix of colloquialism and formal address that throw you a blind pass from leftfield....
I also appreciate how much it probably appears to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the church of Morrisms, but, from my own work, i try strongly to resist using anything that i know he has done... but it proves difficult with the massive influence he's cast upon my own work and those around me.
The bottom line is, if you like it, cool, if you don't, well, it's still cool, because it makes *us* laugh, think and formulate how far we can push our own good taste barriers...
Anyhoo, that's personal stuff... Thanks for the comment though because it's nice to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about!!

Further to your comments on the specific lead story...

The bit about the karma sutra thing kinda pre empts a story i've written (as religious correspondent!) about someone else.... so, it's covered elsewhere...

Also, the thing about developing the idea further.. it's a cool idea to be honest, but, i was told from the stuff Paul had found out from our "regulars" that the over-riding problem people had with the site was when stories dragged... they like the instancy of the joke... this kinda goes against how i like to write (i.e. the 'what' guides which i write with one of the other guys, which sprawl for ages as that particular medium gives you excellent scope for whimsy and sly delivery... {i.e. not to highlight to much, but the running gag of the milkman in the 'crime' story})

I think that is something that is lost in the translation as well, from mind to peecee... i think some of it is funnier if delivered orally and other parts funnier in written form... i think that conflict deters attention from a lot of the detailed elements of the issues raised...

Like i've said b4, i appreciate *constructive* criticism from here, it keeps you on your toes especially when you get praise from other quarters... what i *don't* like is derogatory 'comedy' backlash from people who a) should know better, b) claim to have no comedic intentions and c) should keep it that way...

Thanks again.

Yes I do see your point about not making the stories too long. I think the problem really stems from the fact that no one likes reading text on a screen. It's rather hard to read text from a monitor. It strains the eyes and some readers tend to hurry through the story collecting no more than the gist.

PS: Thank you for your kind words and I'm glad you weren't offended by anything I said (it wasn't my intentions to be anything other than truthful.) I really wouldn't worry too much about what other people write about you. We'd all rather kick each other in the teeth than subject ourselves to the indignity of offering our praise.

No, I insist that this is all a lot of wanking puddles. The site is shit, shit, shit, end of story. No ifs, buts or maybes. No half measures. No "if only his use of language was better." What the hell else is there in written comedy apart from use of language?

"If England were better at football, they would have won Euro 2000." Well spotted!

I mean 'language style'. As in high and low style (as use by Chaucer), the corporate style (as used by adverting and business.) I'm talking about re-working modern euphemisms. Joe Orton made this comment on style and language:

'I find the sentence *�They (the homosexuals in Brest) are peace-loving citizens of irreproachable outward appearance, even though, the long day through, they may perhaps suffer from a rather timid itch for a bit of cock� irresistibly funny. A combination of elegance and crudity is always ridiculous.'


* Jean Genet (1910-1986)

So your suggestion is that Dan should learn how to be funny through language style (or a certain kind of bathos or contrasting degrees of levity, etc.) So Dan would be funny if only he knew how to be funny in some way. I say again - well spotted!

Oh Peter, how glad i am i never stuck up for you when all around called you a twat ;o)
You aren't funny though, despite your obvious clawing attempts to be.
I am trying, with my co writers to do something interesting... not only something that interests us, but that will eventually produce a final product that will be pretty universally cool... you, on the other hand, are an arse.

i think Gee has highlighted our faults quite well... particularly my own and particularly in the lead story... (to be honest, i can't believe that one even made the grade... it's by no means a grade a story... i find the weather one better even though it was only a filler....)
my language use needs to be more polished and honed than it's current state... so, i just keep at it until i crack it. i do not, on the advice of someone who guises under a 5 year old pseudonym for Patrick Marber, 'pack it in'.
Thank you

On an additional note... i know this a personal, and for me, very personal thing, but i think it's unfair to call the site 'shit'. You're hardly the Eddie Izzard of this site are you? You're more... the.... um... Dave Benson Philips aren't you?


I think, personally, that if you take the time to read through the site carefully, especially reading theough the early stories you get a better feel for the whole thing as a 'project'. It's like... well, like Gee said, i don't think many people appreciate comedy online as they have the straining of the eye thing... and perhaps, small things are missed out, the things that 'make' the joke... like, well... the letters this month... guested by a c - list celebrity whose name is Keith, and keeps goin' on about his ex, Maggie? They are the kind of things that make it for us, the writers... but then, it's up to you what you get out of it i suppose....

thanks again

>i do not, on the advice of someone who guises under a 5 year old pseudonym for Patrick Marber, 'pack it in'.

Hence the need for several hundred words of bullshit from you, just because I don't find you amusing...

>So your suggestion is that Dan should learn how to be funny through language style (or a certain kind of bathos or contrasting degrees of levity, etc.) So Dan would be funny if only he knew how to be funny in some way. I say again - well spotted!


Yes that's it Peter - spot on. I'll stick by what I've said. Dan needs to polish up his material and learn a few tricks of the trade: all you need to do is find the right formula and you're way.

You can't polish a turd!

Would it bring you all together if I said that I think the Chris Morris 'funny news stories' genre you are trying to emulate wasn't much cop in the first place?

I know it's heresy to say this, I'll probably get banned from the forum, but I think a lot of 'On The Hour' isn't as good as 'Radio Active', which covered a lot of the same ground. Morris has done other interesting things ('Jam' etc.). But just going, oh I dunno, 'Shock as Hertfordshire goes missing' or whatever, is just as dull as those hilarious "what will happen next year" space fillers you get every year in every paper on Dec 31st. Well, I think so.

I think you've got a point. Variable, that's what they are. Patchy. Some good, some bad. Probably depends on the person hearing them. I personally find "Bearded Cleric in Oily Chin Insertion" not particularly funny, but "Dismantled Pope Found Sliding Down Road" does the business.

Just to twist the knife: The Two Ronnies were better.

Two Ronnies were god's though, until they died in that tragic beeb canteen fire in 1988....

Seriously though, I think it's what ever 'brings you off' isn't it? If you don't like satirical news, don't read Gusset. That is what it's aimed as, so, if you don't like it, don't read it. If you don't like Gusset full stop, check in a few months time when it will be improved further, hopefully... That is the thing, it's a project, and it's ongoing... the next step is the filmed project with a couple of e-mates (entirely unrelated but using base material ideas) and so it progresses.....
Peter, for your information and edufication, you can polish a turd... my mate is an archaeologist (seriously, indiana jones territory) and fossil ones are corpolites (or something) and need a bit of a buff before displaying... so, umm.. how can i say this politely... kiss my ring you annoying twat.

I have heard, btw, a total refit of Gusset is on the cards but i don't think it's gonna happen until next month... I have seen the new stories, and, personally, i find them very funny.... but that's my opinion...

Also, on a final note really on this, someone, i can't remember who, slagged me off for putting 'famous people in crazy situations'... i don't think you could've got particularly far into the site, because the number that do that are severely limited for legal reasons... (with that in mind, look for the next issue which is... quite possibly extremely libellious... hence the delay!)

OK, again, I hate to repeat myself but:
The "funny/satirical" news genre is not dead. It is alive and well and living at http://www.theonion.com/onion3624/malignant_tumor.html
Yes, it's dark. Note also that it uses the consistent style of human interest reporting on illness but subverts it by the choice of content. Thus, humour.

I don't think anyone can argue with the onion's genius... but it's a little unfair and dumb to compare anything anyone does as a 'hobby' on the net in the same genre with something professionals have been doing for years...
If i compared myself to the onion, it'd be idiotic to say the least... the onion is distilled humour, ours isn't even the chaff of the seed that was used to grow the barley to make the... you get the idea...
Another Onion addition, another work of genius...

That was really intended as a reply to Jon, not a criticism of The Gusset. There's been enough of that. Let's talk about Zeppotron.

Fossilized dinosaur faeces are called 'coprolites'.

True.

so, not far off then... ;o)

whatever they're called, i think Marber Nut Numero Uno should be introduced to them... with force if need be.

thanks...

>so, not far off then... ;o)
>
>whatever they're called, i think Marber Nut Numero Uno should be introduced to them... with force if need be.
>
>thanks...

although bearing in mind he's not the only person on this forum who is sick of you and your incessant whining....

Sick of me? i didn't realise you cared Alex.
You must, and i don't mean this with any intended offence, have no real life, if me arguing my side of a debate makes you feel incensed. Go out and live a bit...

Things i have done in recent days include: going out with friends (you will find this word in the oxford english dictionary, but probably noticeabely absent in your address book), going shopping (this involves not ordering via amazon or some bizarre Dutch mail order company) and graduating for my degree...
Try one, you might like it so much that you don't come back on here and see me and get all het up again... stress is a killer Alex, chill or you'll burn out!
But, thanks anyway for the constructive well thought out criticism. Ta!

I'll come clean - the reason I enjoy winding this tit up up is because his self-righteous whining replies are so richly entertaining.

If you look back at this topic, he often gives you two mindless responses for the price of one. It's smashing value.

... Says man with such little personality he hides behind the faceless facade of a Patrick Marber character...

Really, Petey, make it a little harder for me... (Cue Pete's quote from his hero's coogans run appearance)

i don't see, maybe it *is* just me, where i have been 'whiney'... i've asked questions of people, and they can't respond in intelligent ways. There are a few exceptions but a lot of people seem either a) out for hassle (wha's the matter, can't cut it in the real world, tough guy?) or b) have no concept of how to discuss or criticise things...

Thanks again Petey for letting me show you up again and for obviously amusing you in the process... (does the your own deprication turn you on or something...? i have heard that there are chatlines to solve those sort of urges....)

Dan, why did you start all this again - didn't it come to a natural end at the end of the wasted talent thread? DO you feel as though you have something to prove? I'm glad you can except comstructive critism, but these threads never seem to get anywhere. Any chance you're going to stop soon and admit that the Corpses don't particularily like you. You were talking about having freinds in the real world - but surely you have enemies there too?

>Sick of me? i didn't realise you cared Alex.
>You must, and i don't mean this with any intended offence, have no real life, if me arguing my side of a debate makes you feel incensed. Go out and live a bit...

The word used in that criticism was "incessant", not "incensed". I know they *look* similar, but you really mustn't get them confused, as their meanings are not at all the same.

I imagine that Alex might be coming from a similar angle as myself - you dont enrage me, I just find you quite tedious.

Why dont you start a forum on gusset, where i would imagine you could spit your dummy as often as you'd like without it being seen by...well, anybody really.

EUueugeugh, YOU'VE GOT NO FRIENDS!! And you're a bum-boy. And you like girls.

"Dan, why did you start all this again - didn't it come to a natural end at the end of the wasted talent thread?"

Started again when the corpses had another go. They can't find time to answer people directly, but they can find time to be 'funny'..? that's... interesting... Anyway, the point of this particular thread was to highlight how they've fallen foul of their own ideals... just recycling old jokes (i mean, come on... there's a 'your mum' joke in there! we stopped doing that when we were 14, surely??!)

"I'm glad you can except comstructive critism, but these threads never seem to get anywhere."

Well, that really isn't my fault is it? It's more symptomatic of the laziness and idle journalism present here....

"Any chance you're going to stop soon and admit that the Corpses don't particularily like you. "

I don't give two flying fucks whether they like me or not... what i object to is being called 'cliched' or whatever terminology they used when they're relying on hale and pace humour which they've only recycled from one month earlier....

"You were talking about having freinds in the real world - but surely you have enemies there too?"

No, they're all dead now...
Seriously though, i am not after the Corpses from liking me, far from it, i just want them to see that they are stuck in a rut like everyone else... when they admit that, i will be happy with this site...

Now for the other 'comment'...

">Sick of me? i didn't realise you cared Alex.
>You must, and i don't mean this with any intended offence, have no real life, if me arguing my side of a debate makes you feel incensed. Go out and live a bit...

The word used in that criticism was "incessant", not "incensed". I know they *look* similar, but you really mustn't get them confused, as their meanings are not at all the same."

Yeah, i know. I went to school too. i never quoted him as being incensed now, did i? i just said, it seems like you are.. maybe you need to retake english?
All i was pointing out was people seem to be spending an almost worrying amoutn of time arguing with someone they've never met about something that isn't *that* important... just strikes me as a little... childish. to be honest, it's something between me and the corpses...

"I imagine that Alex might be coming from a similar angle as myself - you dont enrage me, I just find you quite tedious."

Well, you find me tedious, so what do you think of people who reuse gags and claim to be pushing back boundaries of the same field?

"Why dont you start a forum on gusset, where i would imagine you could spit your dummy as often as you'd like without it being seen by...well, anybody really."

Mainly as Gusset is a bit of fun for writers.. not an allcomers slagfest or something purporting to be something it's not... Gusset is something that, if you like it, is there, if not, don't go... your loss.
And i am pretty sure that the bitterness and jealousy that consumes your very being James will let you see that truism eventually.
thanks for making me laugh.

That includes doctor bush cutter.
nice insults.

Ta!

A general thought, not specifically about Dan Long:

Something is funny if more than one person thinks it is. Even so-called 'private jokes', are shared by at least 2 people. A truly private joke - that only one person could ever see the 'humour' in, and could never explain it, would not be humourous at all. It seems to me.

It also seems to me that a comedian or writer should never justify or explain herself. Yes, obviously she should discuss aspects or decisions behind a performance or script, but she should never start saying 'Look, this is funny, you don't understand'. If people really don't understand, ignore them (the Pythons never argued with people who didn't see the point). If no one understands, then you're just not funny.

I looked at Gusset briefly, didn't see much amusing. Its existence doesn't bother me half as much as Dan L's whinging, petulant attacks on people who dislike it, which offend me because of the desperate humourlessness that they reveal.

I'm sure you can improve and do better Dan, but the way to start is just to learn to accept criticism. All your heroes have played disastrous gigs, or been slagged off viciously, and they learned to just carry on. Please do the same.

I agree on some points, but not on others...

I believe if someone doesn't find something funny and slags you off because of it, you try and say, 'i find it funny because of x, y and z'...

The whole point of this is missed... the problem i have with the people on this site is that they fall foul of their own issues... The corpses want fresh amazing comedy, but they can't produce it themselves... they produce stuff that people have done much better before them. Now, that is not to say that i believe what i, in my small pieces at gusset am doing... i see it as a small group (around 20-30) of people back home and scattered throughout the globe who like our brand of humour.... if they laugh with and at us, then we've done our thing... and they do laugh, we get the responses back to that nature...

If other people don't like it, well, that's your choice... you're not forced to go here... just how you're not forced to listen to people just as biased as though they claim to oppose... naming no names....


and on a final note, i don't see these as 'whining' responses, though, obviously i will be biased, but, what the fuck are you doing if you're not whining at me for whining?

Criticism is something not everyone can do, despite what some might think. If you're not constructive, it's not criticism... calling something a fucking atrocity or shitshitshit is not critique, it's insults... playground stuff.. my dad's bigger than your dad etc...
same goes for people who slag of a comedy for being written by women... anything like that... this is my point... you're either too blind or thick to see... the whole corpses thing cannot exist by it's own principles by how it is written.... when that is noted, then it'll all be over.

Thanks again for the comments

This is probably a bad idea, but i've read through this whole thread again, and i've tried to make some sense of it.

"The bottom line is, if you like it, cool, if you don't, well, it's still cool, because it makes *us* laugh, think and formulate how far we can push our own good taste barriers..."

...that's probably the best thing Dan has said through this whole thread, because it's also true of this site. Dan complains using the Wasted Talent thread, and the Corpses make another joke about him in the (pretty pointless) Edinborough Guide, which he doesn't like (but they must've found funny to use it) so Dan complains again, that the writing is poor on this website. In comparison to what? Seemingly his own page, as he hasn't really told us who his favourite comedians are (although you don't have to if you don't want), and he explains to us that the Corpses page is irrelevant, as they are hypocrites. From what i've seen so far, these are also perhaps things that can be said about Dan himself. As the quote above shows, Dan isn't too bothered about other peoples opinions, so then what makes him think that anyone who enjoys this site is bothered about his opinions on it. The Editors of this page probably react in the same way as Dan himself, (perhaps showing that the two are more similar than you might think- scary thought eh, Dan?) and Dan defends his page by saying it is an ongoing project - just like this page is also an ongoing projuect. Dan use Gusset to see how far he can push his own boundries of good taste - which is presumably the same reason the Corpses use thiers.

I'm not trying to defend the corpses - i couldn't care less about them - but i just want to show how pointless this entire arguement appears to be.

One major point which seems to antagonise Dan is the use of "Hale and Pace" humour as he puts it, and non-constructive comments from other people, who are probably just wanting to cause trouble anyway (which is fair enough - best to get the most enjoyment out of life isn't it?). However, too often Dan has reacted to these arguements using cheap stereotypes - saying that these people have no friends or no life - which is surely an insult used before the days of Hale and Pace. Why don't you just ignore this people and just answer the constructive critisms you recieve Dan? It's the same trap you fell into by starting the Wasted Talent Thread, and these people will keep writing insults to you, no matter what you say (and i enjoy reading the insults - there's nothing more fun than an arguement). Dan, you seem so sure of your own genuis - an earlier comment indicated that sooner or later gusset would be seen as 'cool' by everyone (although why you'd want that i don't know: to be cool is surely a bad thing) - so again i ask, why did you bother starting this arguement all over again?

Sorry to go on, and i hope someone can make some sense out of this. You can ignore it if you want, or just insult me but, before you start, i've just got home from a week-long holiday with five friends and plan to spend my holiday, before i go to start my university degree, playing guitar in my own band at several pubs in my local area. That should stop the 'get a life' insult, i think

Finally someone with some sense!
Lord preserve him in a jar and mark him endangered!!

I will, if i may, comment on those points you've raised / asked...

1. Comedians/Comic writers i like... Two Ronnies / Peter Cook / Coogan / Morris / Izzard / Pegg / Larson / Favreau / Myers ... all for different reasons.. be it passion, endeavour, belly laughs or sheer genius...

2. I know people do'nt care about my opinions, but then that in itself is an issue raised here.. what is the point of a forum if people will just tel you to 'fuck off'? there isn't one....

3. I appreciate that the corpses are using this an ongoing project, but surely, even with the most basic of eye, you can see that it runs the risk (and falls foul of it too) of it's own 'do you like it coz gary tells you to?' ideas...

4. Well, with the Hale and Pace humour, surely and eye for an eye? I mean come on.. i challenge any one to say that that kind of humour is necessary nowadays.... OK, so i sank to their levels.... can you blame me?

5. it's not that i have that much faith in my ability.. it's that i don't hold any in people who, like you say, slag things off for slagging things off sake... neanderthals...
i am not looking for favour from anyone... i am looking to further my ideas and create things that make people smile and laugh... if that's just three blokes down a pub, so be it...

Thanks again for a cool posting PJ. It's nice to see someone has the ability to formulate constructive points to look over. Ta.

i missed one i think...

you asked why i started this again... it was essentially because rather than respond directly or think up something new, the corpses re used their old 'material' to try to further insult people.

thought i would just clear that last point up.

so, thanks again!

One more i missed...

i was comparing the wriitng of the corpses to the ideals that they obviously hold on new talent / good comedy etc...
Not to my own stuff.. it's not wise to compare two different 'humour' (and it's in marks as i know some of you feel that gusset is only 'humour') types as it can not in anyway be fair...

I have no bones about what the corpses write.. that is up to them.. but the issue i do feel strongly about is how they do it, especially when this site is dedicated to those ends...

That all sounds fair enough to me - i'll leave it for now then.

Cool. Thanks PJ... Like i said before, and i meant it, it's nice to meet someone on here who doesn't have fish and chips on both shoulders.

<laughs like a drain at the irony of the above message>

it's actually a quote, but there you go...
that in itself is quite 'ironic' i suppose.

... but I need a certain song
I can boogie
Boogie woogie
All night long