Yes, well spotted. I have a sneaky feeling that the UNM logo will take a supporting role in the new idents as well.

Stay tuned ...

Well if you are correct, then this leaves only the northern Granada stations still using them. I can't see them using them for much longer in this instance, particularly given the fact that LWT doesn't.

Excellent news. At least a partial turn in the right direction for ITV regionality... and if the news that the ITC will not allow Carlton and UNM to merge, effectively giving the Carlton stations to Granada, this is another step in the right direction (ironically).

>Yes, well spotted. I have a sneaky feeling that the UNM logo will take a supporting role in the new idents as well.
>
>Stay tuned ...
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do you mean that all channels will be renamed united television or that at the bottom the united news and media logo will appear? hopefully though Anglia wont go back to that old flage ident it looks more out of date than Borders generic logo 99

>Well if you are correct, then this leaves only the northern Granada stations still using them. I can't see them using them for much longer in this instance, particularly given the fact that LWT doesn't.
>
actually Border will still be using them as will Channel television but channel has a regional reedit and border is owned by Granada Media group so it could happen.

What was better about the 1989 version was that they don't look cheap and the new ones do. also i think that before the end of the year LWT will change again when everybody gets rid of the box generic idents a bit like tyne tees when they had four news ones between 1991& 1992

hopefully though Anglia wont go back to that old flag ident

I hope they do! Were they still using the clock before news like they were when I saw it in 1993?

1. No, United will not rename their channels United Television. What you will see will be the incorporation of the UNM logo (I suspect at the bottom of the screen but this isn't confirmed). The regional names stay.

2. Anglia last used the clock before news programmes last autumn, in readiness for the introduction of the dual-brand idents.

>well spotted
Where did you find out this info?

yesterday was Meridians first prog of the year " Real LIfe".. My mum was watching it & I wasn't paying attention but I know it was about arse bashing homos with two kids

Notice that the end caption said: United Production and just had a small Meridian logo beneath it with no writing. It was the same for HTV's networked programme and Anglia's programmes.

Yep, this has the norm for the United companies for a couple of years now. Regional programmes still get the full-blown logos after the end credits, i.e. no mention of United.

I personally think that United will keep the regional names. They may refer to network programmes as UNITED PRODUCTIONS, but that doesn't matter because HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.

>HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.

Very little programmes? They look the same size as all the others!

>I personally think that United will keep the regional names. They may refer to network programmes as UNITED PRODUCTIONS, but that doesn't matter because HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.


Personally I've seen more United programmes on C5 than on ITV...

I tell you something weird. On 95.8 Capital fm london Steve Penk the D.J. was reading out facts & he said "a recent survey shows that 40% of people choose ITV as their first choice of channel" can't be in London except for the weekend because I always turn over when they go " this ic Carlton"

>I tell you something weird. On 95.8 Capital fm london Steve Penk the D.J. was reading out facts & he said "a recent survey shows that 40% of people choose ITV as their first choice of channel"

This can't be anything to do with the fact that he does some LWT shows for ITV and he wants to brown-nose himself with the execs, is it?

>I personally think that United will keep the regional names. They may refer to network programmes as UNITED PRODUCTIONS, but that doesn't matter because HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.

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HTV contribute a very large proprtion into CITV but as it originates from Central hence Carlton they always, i say ALWAYS, cut off the end logo. But come a Carlton co-production they seem to get an end slide in vision...get my drift!!

>yesterday was Meridians first prog of the year " Real LIfe".. My mum was watching it & I wasn't paying attention but I know it was about arse bashing homos with two kids


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>>HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.

That's Ester - Teddy Bears - Wizadora - Sunday Morning - Survival - F1 hightlights etc etc

>

... Trisha (LOADS of progs), any nature programme with Steve Irwin (mad Aussie bloke), Great Escapes ...

OK they're not exactly exciting programmes, but they're not made by CARLtON. And that's what counts.

>This can't be anything to do with the fact that he (Steve Penk) does some LWT shows for ITV and he wants to brown-nose himself with the execs, is it?

He's also done lots for Carlton too.

>>>HTV, Meridian and Anglia make very little network programmes.
>
>That's Ester - Teddy Bears - Wizadora - Sunday Morning - Survival - F1 hightlights etc etc

Let me rephrase that: HTV, ANGLIA & MERIDIAN MAKE VERY LITTLE GOOD PROGRAMMES COMPARED TO GRANADA, YORKSHIRE AND LWT

(HTV make the smallest amount of networked programmes for ITV because they make loads for S4C)

>HTV contribute a very large proprtion into CITV but as it originates from Central hence Carlton they always, i say ALWAYS, cut off the end logo. But come a Carlton co-production they seem to get an end slide in vision...get my drift!!
>

I've noticed that aswell. Poor old Tyne Tees, when the occasionaly make a CITV programme never get any credit as Carlton chops of their logo, and as TTTV put their copyright info on their production slide (they always have, dunno why?) they dont even get any credit. Add to that the example of The Real DIY show, a Tyne Tees production (99%), when its shown on Granada's satelite channel it suddenly becomes a LWT production (1%)...where's the justice

>Yep, this has the norm for the United companies for a couple of years now. Regional programmes still get the full-blown logos after the end credits, i.e. no mention of United.
> Yes Meridian local shows end with the logo on the orange swirly background, with either just Meridian or Meridian Programme text - selected randomly it seems. HTV local shows end with the HTV Production caption with the blue hearts background (at least it matches all the other captions, slides and idents. Anyone know what Anglia does for its local programmes.

"Anyone know what Anglia does for its local programmes."

Anglia still uses the cheesey black/grey marble style background with their logo saying Anglia Production or Anglia Programme under it.

>Anglia still uses the cheesey black/grey marble style background with their logo saying Anglia Production or Anglia Programme under it.
>
They've been using that for about 12 years...Meridian and HTV have had loads of different ones since 1993.

>Granada's sattelite channel
Eh? Do you mean G.Plus or the actual Granada which I get on ITV ?
If it is the real Granada what is the frequency for it? and can it be picked up through a mini dish?

From today, HTV's break bumper had a bigger HTV logo. The HTV logo that usually covers up the ITV logo at the corner of the screen during ITV promotions has also changed. It has now adopted the same colour screen as HTV's generic ident.
I think HTV have stopped using the idents which have a film at the beginning. I think that they only use the basic 'lines' version.

HTV have been doing this for a while now. The reason is that the scheduling of both West and Wales is done at Cardiff (despite the fact West is transmitted from Southampton). Cardiff don't like those idents with a film preceding it - which is not surprising, really! So HTV viewers mainly get the "lines" idents. Meridian and Anglia will, for now, continue to use (for now) the "films" idents, until the new ones start.

They sometimes don't even use the music anymore

If they chop off the 'film' idents in favour for the shorter 'lines' ident you can gain more time for ads and promos...etc. cunning eh?

The 'film' clips are a bit cheesey anyway.
Roll on the new United Idents hooray!!!

At the moment HTV Wales has a very corporate image with all idents, end captions, break bumpers(1!) and promotions all carrying the same hearts styling. How long will this fad last?

Oh well at least they care and haven't let any old 'yellow' promotions go out!!!

HTV have been using the motorway ident b4 F1 on ITV, although it is still the lines ident most of the time.
And get this Granada seem to be starting to actually use the idents instead of the static captions (ARG!) and today, they did something totally off schedule and played the lights ident, the fairground one and even the motorway one too! Shame they are all crap really isnt it?
Anyone else think that the new way of introducing Carlton's website address is a bit weird, and annoying, some bloody flashy thing!

Wouldn't it be great if someone 'purchased' Carlton's web address and they had to rebrand all their idents....aaaaawwwwww!

Right-if we all put a pound in each.....!

Some weeks ago a senior Executive in HTV at Bristol said that United companies were not likely to go down the path that Carlton did, and destroy regional identities of Anglia, Meridian and HTV. It was suggested that a decision to re-brand Westcountry and Central and Carlton in London as simply one corporate Carlton was regretted in some quarters at Carlton's Head Office, and seen as a mistake.

United will do their best to ensure that Anglia, Meridian & HTV remain "independent" and keep their identities, in the same way that Granada have done, with LWT, Tyne Tees, YTV and Granada's own region.

>Some weeks ago a senior Executive in HTV at Bristol said that United companies were not likely to go down the path that Carlton did, and destroy regional identities of Anglia, Meridian and HTV. It was suggested that a decision to re-brand Westcountry and Central and Carlton in London as simply one corporate Carlton was regretted in some quarters at Carlton's Head Office, and seen as a mistake.

If it was such a mistake, why haven't they done anything about it?

>If it was such a mistake, why haven't they done anything about it?

They are (watch this space).

can you give us a bit more of a space to watch, because we will probably love what you might be telling us.

>Back to the indents....

Anglia still use the generic ITV format, except when trailing a regional programme when the trailier has the Anglia flag in the top left corner, as well as the dire *news* DOG.

>can you give us a bit more of a space to watch, because we will probably love what you might be telling us.

I'll tell you one thing: October 1st 2000.

Ooh, this is good stuff! More details...?

Well I have to say that this sounds right, because that is the rumour I'm hearing from an ITV insider I know, who works in Newcastle.

All regional companies know about it. Carlton have even considered returning the name ATV, although I think this is unlikely.

Just remember - 1st October. I can't say anything else. I'll get the sack if I do.

...and before you ask I don't work for Carlton...


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I work as part of the presentation team for one of United Media companies and this is the first we have heard about the new image change. Usually we know well in advance about any changes like this!
How would someone from Tynetees know about an United Media decision????

i think you are right, is this person telling the truth the whole truth e.t.c.?????

It would appear that Oct the first is when Carlton will back down and return regional idents to Central and Westy.
Some people say Sept 1st, that would clash iwth the UNM change though, not likely.
Also thinking before, Granada is the only station that is still permanently using the hearts idents, YTV TTTV have regional ones, HTV MERIDIAN and ANGLIA are getting new ones on the 1st Sept 2000 and Carlton and Scottish Media have never used them.
Channel use a different theme tune and UTV have changed : ) again ( :
Wait a min...
BORDER good old border..forgot about them :)

>I work as part of the presentation team for one of United Media companies and this is the first we have heard about the new image change. Usually we know well in advance about any changes like this!

So how come all of HTV's presentation and continuity captions match and look slick, but Meridian retains end captions with the swirly orange background eh?

Hold on hold on. It appears that Carlton will be removing the rebranding of Westy and Central. I don't know anything about the United move. As for TT knowing, surely you must realise that many of the staff at TT moved to other stations on the network, and still keep in touch?


As far as I can tell, on the 1st of October Central and Westcountry will return, quietly. Like I say this is only a rumour, but from what I have heard the names will return. However the impression I am getting is that the ident style will remain, only the names will change. The Carlton name will remain on-screen, so "CENTRAL" will appear where Carlton is now, and Carlton will replace the [itv]. But like I say this is only rumour. It seems very likely the names will return but the exact details are fuzzy at the mo.

>As far as I can tell, on the 1st of October Central and Westcountry will return, quietly. Like I say this is only a rumour, but from what I have heard the names will return. However the impression I am getting is that the ident style will remain, only the names will change. The Carlton name will remain on-screen, so "CENTRAL" will appear where Carlton is now, and Carlton will replace the [itv]. But like I say this is only rumour. It seems very likely the names will return but the exact details are fuzzy at the mo.


Any backdown is always glad to hear about, though it would mean a re-write for the Carlton Hate Page... Oh well... Sometimes these things just happen :)

I thought that they might change it - it hasn't really made anything easier because it was all Carlton London, Carton Central etc. I think that they will get new idents, argue with me if you must but Cartlons current ones just don't look how idents are moving at the moment. Good news anyway. But i'm sure they'll keep Carlton somewhere on them. I'm sure the carlton hate page will live on. With rebranding, will program end caps change? Or will carlton london try and claim all the glory.

FALSE ALARM I THINK!!!
Carlton have mailed me a response regarding the return of Central and Westcoutnry...read it, is it the truth,, i hope not :(

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Thank you for this report.
However, there are no plans to reinstate the Central or Westcountry identities within the regional franchises owned by Carlton.
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Whether or not that is a lie is different, who knows.
Something mUST be happening on oct 1st, unless someone has been lieing

No they'll change it, they are getting too much stick. What whoudl they say anyway they arn't going to broadcast(no pun intended) their defeat are they

No they'll change it, they are getting too much stick. What whoudl they say anyway they arn't going to broadcast(no pun intended) their defeat are they

If they do go ahead with it give them new looks so they don't look the same & also let them make programms again

>So how come all of HTV's presentation and continuity captions match and look slick, but Meridian retains end captions with the swirly orange background eh?

Well someone at HTV must have a bit of sense and do things that actually look good on air - and not just throw things together a la Meridian style...!!!

>If they do go ahead with it give them new looks so they don't look the same & also let them make programms again

Somehow, I don't think so - Carlton wants to brand all the stuff it makes (mostly through its aquisition of Central) as Carlton so that it can be well known as a programme maker.