>what is it with ITV. I was watching an audience with Billy Connerly on saturday and was expecting to see old lwt idents and productions slide. instead they were replaced with new ones probably with the old ITV logo although this didn't come out until 1989 and the prog was made in 1985.
I'm pretty sure that ITV started doing such revisionism in the early 1990s. Mind you, when Central took over ATV's franchise in 1982, any ATV repeats cut the ATV Colour Production still in favour of Central Presentation.
Did they? I seem to remember them putting a slide up saying, "Central Presents" then going for the old ATV ident...
But johnny's right, I hate this changing of everything. I think they should leave the intro ident in place, give a few viewers a shock if nothing else...
The worst culprit for all this was, you guessed it, YTV. They showed a few stock programmes made by TT in about 1993, from the late 80's on both TT and YTV, took off the old yellow/blue TT production slide and replaced it with a "Yorkshire Television / Tyne Tees Co-Production". How DARE they :(
>what is it with ITV. I was watching an audience with Billy Connerly on saturday and was expecting to see old lwt idents and productions slide.
Ha ha, you were hoping! It doesn't like to be reminded of how it used to present things!
Instead they were replaced with new ones probably with the old ITV logo although this didn't come out until 1989 and the prog was made in 1985.
They had 'An LWT Production for IT\*' , did they? This would have probably been down to a version of the show made for TV in 1996-8 (if they had the current LWT logo) which they just repeated without replacing the end slide.
ITV almost always do this, although some regions don't if they have an old copy of the show on tape - like Border when they were showing old Blockbusters for a while they had 'A Central Production' end-cap with the old un-carltonised logo. Border also made an error when they showed an old 'In Bed with MeDinner' the first week of the new logo in 1998. The show had an early ninties LWT slide with the ITV logo of that era. Border kept the old LWT logo, but replaced the ITV one with the new [itv] logo. This is despite the fact that the 'for ITV' suffix had just been dropped. (You can see this at my website http://www.tvzone.come.to )ITN had 'for ITV' on the first few News progs that day too.
>but what surprised me was that on Granada plus they had a rerun of Bullseye and the end production said "a central production for itv" Granada don't think this need to be updated so why do ITV does anyone know?
Other channels aren't as bothered. ITV2 usually replaces the end slide for old Granada Group or Carlton progs with the new one, but for other regions they don't bother - A while back when they were showing 'The Island' (A kid's show) it had 'A Channel Television Production for IT\*' with a big, pre-1998 CTV logo. I have also seen old Carlton end slides on Carlton's Digital channels.
>what is it with ITV. I was watching an audience with Billy Connerly on saturday and was expecting to see old lwt idents and productions slide.
Ha ha, you were hoping! It doesn't like to be reminded of how it used to present things!
Instead they were replaced with new ones probably with the old ITV logo although this didn't come out until 1989 and the prog was made in 1985.
They had 'An LWT Production for IT\*' , did they? This would have probably been down to a version of the show made for TV in 1996-8 (if they had the current LWT logo) which they just repeated without replacing the end slide.
ITV almost always do this, although some regions don't if they have an old copy of the show on tape - like Border when they were showing old Blockbusters for a while they had 'A Central Production' end-cap with the old un-carltonised logo. Border also made an error when they showed an old 'In Bed with MeDinner' the first week of the new logo in 1998. The show had an early ninties LWT slide with the ITV logo of that era. Border kept the old LWT logo, but replaced the ITV one with the new [itv] logo. This is despite the fact that the 'for ITV' suffix had just been dropped. (You can see this at my website http://www.tvzone.come.to )ITN had 'for ITV' on the first few News progs that day too.
>but what surprised me was that on Granada plus they had a rerun of Bullseye and the end production said "a central production for itv" Granada don't think this need to be updated so why do ITV does anyone know?
Other channels aren't as bothered. ITV2 usually replaces the end slide for old Granada Group or Carlton progs with the new one, but for other regions they don't bother - A while back when they were showing 'The Island' (A kid's show) it had 'A Channel Television Production for IT\*' with a big, pre-1998 CTV logo. I have also seen old Carlton end slides on Carlton's Digital channels.
Channel?
They made network programmes? Cool!
>Channel?
>They made network programmes? Cool!
One Programme I think. They might have done some church stuff in the past too.
At the end of a new ITV show The Streakers, the production slide said 'A Scottish Tv Production For ITV' I thought that the ITV companies no longer use 'For ITV' in their production slides.
>At the end of a new ITV show The Streakers, the production slide said 'A Scottish Tv Production For ITV' I thought that the ITV companies no longer use 'For ITV' in their production slides.
They don't - this may well be fixed in the next episode.
an audience with kennith williams is on saturday and is much older than an audience with billy connerly. i wonder if Thames made this and if old production slides are in place whoever made it because the only company that keeps old ones are Yorkshire on a touch of frost.
Also they are showing a season on ITV called "The magic of Morse" and i wonder if old Central production slides will be in place
>i wonder if Thames made this and if old production slides are in place
I though LWT made/make all the 'Audience with'
There is a new one planned called 'An Audience with the Pope'
Anyway, Thames repeats (such as the recent ITV2 'The Bill' night) have the new 'Pearsonised' logo. I'll have to look out for the repeats on UK Gold to see what they do.
RTE have in the past few years shown some very old repeats of the show, complete with the Thames ident on the front - yes *that* Thames Ident.
>whoever made it because the only company that keeps old ones are Yorkshire on a touch of frost.
Haven't Noticed that
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>Also they are showing a season on ITV called "The magic of Morse" and i wonder if old Central production slides will be in place
I doubt it. Morse repeats (even on ITV2) have 'Carlton Production' slides.
In the late eighties, after idents at the start of programmes were abolished, Central was the first station to animate its. It was the balls bouncing into the cake and colouring the coloured sections.
TVS's metallic Fleur de Lyons-ish logo span out of the letters TVS at least once at the end of That's Love.
I saw YTV do it once, although I left the country for a few months soon afterwards.
When I returned the first ITV corporate logo was introduced and the "XXXX production for ITV" regime introduced.
Any more moving idents at the end of programmes? And are any still shown anywhere?
>Any more moving idents at the end of programmes? And are any still shown anywhere?
Not as far as I know - Central is the only one I can remember. UTV did show a 1988 edition of that gardening programme in the mid ninties with the Central 'balls into pie' logo. When I was at the National Museam for Photography Film and Television in Bradford in 1991 they were still using it then as part of a section where you could vision mix.
Thames repeats (such as the recent ITV2 'The Bill' night) have the new 'Pearsonised' logo. I'll have to look out for the repeats on UK Gold to see what they do.
Thames repeats on UK Gold and Living have the 'Pearsonised' logo.
>Any more moving idents at the end of programmes? And are any still shown anywhere?
Scottish from Jan to Aug 1989, although it didn't move, it just appeared with some music. And during the same period Anglia ended their networked programmes with bits of the flag coming together.
Yes, I remember the musical Anglia end ident. The music used was the original one when Anglia started using the flag and not the one before the hearts came in.
>Did they? I seem to remember them putting a slide up saying, "Central Presents" then going for the old ATV ident...
When Central started in 1982 there was still a shedload of programmes to be screened which were recorded in 1981 with ATV idents. Most went out with the animated Central ident and 'Central Production' replacing any trace of ATV. For some reason Crossroads got a 'Central Presents' still caption. Bizarrely Schools programmes got this caption followed by the ATV animated ident.
I thought Central was basically the remnants of ATV anyway.
You're quite correct, Richard. Central was the product of a massive reorganisation of ATV ordered by the IBA in 1980 to (a) split the news service up and run the company from the Midlands, as opposed to London (many of ATV's networked programmes were produced at Elstree), and (b) remove the influence of Lew Grade's ITC.