all i can say is i hope they are renamed as iot will start to show that carlton are on their way back down to earth andthat the ITC have catched on to them

>all i can say is i hope they are renamed as it will start to show that carlton are on their way back down to earth andthat the ITC have catched on to them

sorry corrected mistake

I COMPLEATLY AGREE WITH YOU

I agree as well. I'm just hoping Granada buys Carlton out. It will be worth it just to hear those Carlton scumbags forced to call their station Granada eventually if nothing else...

All can say is I hope THAT they are renamed as it will start to show that Carlton are on their way back down to earth and that the ITC have CAUGHT on to them

Corrected other mistakes!

Oh, aren't we the smart arse!

>All can say is I hope THAT they are renamed as it will start to show that Carlton are on their way back down to earth and that the ITC have CAUGHT on to them
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>Corrected other mistakes!
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> who gives a shite i'm to angry to spell correctly

Just spent the weekend in Birmingham, so I saw Carlton there for the first time.

Surprised and delighted to see:
1. That most TV magazines still call the station Central, although the Evening Mail calls it Carlton.
2. That the weather is still Central Weather.
3. That the announcers seemed as reluctant to say the word "Carlton" as the Granada/YTV/TTTV announcer is to say which channel they are working for. The stations that dare not speak their names.

I knew they were keeping the name Central News, which was, and I am surprised to say this, worse than Granada Tonight.

Carlton has really mismanaged the whole thing. If they really had to do it at all, they should have done it properly and called the station Carlton, called the news Carlton News and called the weather Carlton Weather.

They should have also had a bit of a charm offensive and suggested that the front of the regionalised magazines should say Carlton (Midlands), Carlton (South West) and Carlton (London).

It would have been a much better strategy to promote the name ITV more and more. After all, all the trailers are network trailers, the national news is ITV News, and the weather is ITV weather. ITV is a name from which they cannot get away.

And in a year's time, after the ownership debacle, it'll be ITV plc doing everything anyway. Regional names are such a nuisance and are meaningless now. It's inevitable that they'll disappear entirely.

>And in a year's time, after the ownership debacle, it'll be ITV plc doing everything anyway. Regional names are such a nuisance and are meaningless now. It's inevitable that they'll disappear entirely.


Not if Scottish Media Group and UTV Group have anything to do with it!

>Regional names are such a nuisance and are meaningless now. It's inevitable that they'll disappear entirely.

To me, the whole point of ITV is that it works with many different regional companies. I think regional companies are needed to suit the viewer living in that region.

>To me, the whole point of ITV is that it works with many different regional companies. I think regional companies are needed to suit the viewer living in that region.

Yes. Regional TV is necessary - infact I think the itv name should be lost and the regional companies shouldn't show as many national programmes.

>>To me, the whole point of ITV is that it works with many different regional companies. I think regional companies are needed to suit the viewer living in that region.
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>Yes. Regional TV is necessary - infact I think the itv name should be lost and the regional companies shouldn't show as many national programmes.
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I agree with your sentiments, but look at the facts.
Nowadays, the schedule is set by the ITV Network Centre. There are very few regional variations, unlike the old days.
It makes sense for publicity purposes to keep a national schedule, with regional opt-outs.
Press coverage of shows is much more likely if everyone's watching the same programme at the same time.
When the companies were really independent until the early nineties, they could be out of sinc, even on shows like Crossroads and Emmerdale Farm. But there was steady convergence since the sixties.
How annoying was that when you were in a different part of the country for a short time!
When ITV in England and Wales is owned by the same company in about six months' time, there'll be no real reason to have separate idents, except to please graphics junkies like me.
The only real issue then is to have a decent quantity of well-made regional programmes. Perhaps we could have regional idents then.

the only good thing Carlton borught along with them is London Tonight which is actually a better news service than newsroom south east that only talks about kent and west london. the only bad thing about london tonight is that it got rid of LWT news...

actually come to think of it London Tonight is shot in the exact same studio that LWT News was before it dissapeared. all that has changed is the desk

>come to think of it London Tonight is shot in the exact same studio that LWT News was before it dissapeared. all that has changed is the desk.

Was the short-lived LWT News made by LWT themselves? It seems weird that they'd have a news operation that'd only run at the weekends.

>I agree with your sentiments, but look at the facts.
>Nowadays, the schedule is set by the ITV Network Centre. There are very few regional variations, unlike the old days.

Yes, it doesn't matter that there are few regional variations. But it's not an "opt-out" as such. Each group of companies has a diverging set of programmes from each other.

>When ITV in England and Wales is owned by the same company in about six months' time, there'll be no real reason to have separate idents, except to please graphics junkies like me.

This will *not* happen. ITV in England and Wales will be owned by two distinct companies for the forseeable future, Granada and Carlton, Granada and United or Granada and United-Carlton.

>The only real issue then is to have a decent quantity of well-made regional programmes. Perhaps we could have regional idents then.

The simple fact is that the only company which has a problem with regionality is Carlton. The other 2 are quite happy to allow the existing names to remain. Why else would Granada actually *return* to the Tyne Tees name? It had a golden opportunity to rename TT and YTV under the Granada banner. It didn't do it. And as for the Carlton stations, it would be folly of the highest order to rename Central and Westcountry with another unpopular generic name, only months after doing it the first time. I personally think the regional names will remain for some time yet.

In any case, the regional entities are crucial to the regionality of ITV. The ITC have proposed measures to ensure quality in regional programming is retained. And new 10-year licenses have just been awarded to several franchises, retaining current titles. As Graeme Thompson, Director of Programming at Tyne Tees told me, "The ITC awards the North East franchise to Tyne Tees. It does not award the franchise to Granada". He was quite specific on this.

I work at the ITC and there was some hesitation in renewing Carlton's license.
The United-Carlton merger will not happen because United Media own several national newspapers and Carlton or Granada cannot have anything to do with a national newspaper. (I shouldn't tell you this, but the London News Network is nearly all run by Granada. Carlton contributes hardly anything to it.)

AS Granada (originally) is a name for that part of NW England, they probably wouldn't try to rename YTV and TTTV, as that would be like renaming Carlton "Central" (i.e. The opposite of what happened), it would make no geographical sense.

No, Granada was the name of a string of (Southern) cinemas run by the Bernsteins. Therefore no conflict...

If Anon is being truthful when he says he works for the ITC, then it's bye-bye Carlton...

Yeee-haw!!

If according to Obviously Anon, Carlton don't have much to do with London News Network, why is it that whenever London Tonight is mentioned in newspapers esp. Evening Standard it's always referred to as 'Carlton TV's London Tonight'?

>>come to think of it London Tonight is shot in the exact same studio that LWT News was before it dissapeared. all that has changed is the desk.
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>Was the short-lived LWT News made by LWT themselves? It seems weird that they'd have a news operation that'd only run at the weekends.
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yes see tv ark at www.tv-ark.co.uk & go to the news section, then the itv regional section then click on london and down load the file. It also was made by LWT i think

sorry for advertisement

>>When ITV in England and Wales is owned by the same company in about six months' time, there'll be no real reason to have separate idents, except to please graphics junkies like me.
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>This will *not* happen. ITV in England and Wales will be owned by two distinct companies for the forseeable future, Granada and Carlton, Granada and United or Granada and United-Carlton.
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Oh, you're optimistic!
I went to a press breakfast with the Granada big bods recently and they're definitely after a three-way take-over/merger asap.

The government is also keen on one ITV asap. Stephen Byers will make the decision.

How about a 40/30/30 Granada/Carlton/United share in ITV plc?
United could jettison the Daily Express etc in the same move. That would hardly be a big loss.

Maybe Granada Productions (including LWT and YTV Productions) could also be floated as a separate company, while ITV plc acts as a publisher/broadcaster, much like C4 or the original Carlton, with worldwide distribution rights.

why does everybody forget about scottish media

>why does everybody forget about scottish media

Because they control only two quite small ITV stations. Their contribution to the network is minimal. In the scheme of things, they're almost irrelevant. We also ignore Ulster and Channel for much the same reasons.

>AS Granada (originally) is a name for that part of NW England

No Granadaland came about because of the TV Company which was named after a place in Spain (pronounced Grenayda) where the Bernsteins liked to go on holiday.

>>AS Granada (originally) is a name for that part of NW England
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>No Granadaland came about because of the TV Company which was named after a place in Spain (pronounced Grenayda) where the Bernsteins liked to go on holiday.

I'm goign to be a pedantic sod. Granada Cinemas was named after a place in Spain where the Bernsteins liked to go on holiday. Granada Television was named 'after' Granada Cinemas :)

>>>AS Granada (originally) is a name for that part of NW England
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Let me be super-pedantic. ORIGINALLY, we're talking 1956 here, Granada was the name for the Monday-Friday ITV company for NW England AND most of Yorkshire.
In 1968, it became the 7-day ITV for the North West.

Why are you talking about Granada? You're supposed to be slagging off Carlton.