Yeah. I hate dogs. Always leaving poo everywhere, barking all night, moulting etc
excuse me but what on earth are you talking about?
>Yeah. I hate dogs. Always leaving poo everywhere, barking all night, moulting etc
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>excuse me but what on earth are you talking about?
Digital On Screen Graphics. Those annoying company logos in the corner of the screen.
Hate them? Complain. The more people who complain to TV companies the more chance we actually have of ridding ourselves of these bloomin things.
Ugh! Nasty! Does anonymous happen to know whether the DoG will be the station one or [itv]? And digital only or analogue as well?
Can you just imagine the glorious nature of a Tyne Tees DOG it would be a huge, golden affair that would be stuck, not quite in the far corner but enough into the picture to really, really p*ss people off!
"If they use DOGS, then I will NEVER watch ITV again!"
Why on earth do you watch it now?
ITV2 began with a dog, then removed it and then brought it back again. I think they might have removed it again.
So the current thinking at ITV is befuddled. Not much change there.
But nobody likes them. BBC removed their digital ones. S4C (many years ago) had one for English-language programmes only and removed it quite quickly.
Complain, complain, complain.
"S4C (many years ago) had one for English-language programmes only"
Was that so that deaf viewers could know which language they were missing out on?
>ITV2 began with a dog, then removed it and then brought it back again. I think they might have removed it again.
It was still there last night. Actually, it does have a use - on TV-YOU in Northern Ireland we have no DOG for local programmes, but the ITV2 DOG for national programmes (since UTV get the full as-transmitted feed into their suite)
>But nobody likes them. BBC removed their digital ones.
Except on News 24, BBC Knowledge and BBC Parliament. And UKTV.
And on BBC TWO overnight and (I think) BBC CHOICE in England only.
I wonder will they try and introduce something for the new Breakfast News on BBC ONE. If you don't already know it'll be presented by Jeremy Bowen, Sophie Raworth and Moira Stuart.
No John Nicolson (wahey!)
But no Noel Thompson either (boo), unless they keep him on Fridays.
BTW I was talking to Noel Thompson at the weekend. I met him at some function and he asked me what he was eating at the buffet as he wasn't sure. I wasn't sure either but we agreed it was probably something chickeny.
don't you realise channel 5 have been doing this since 1997 but they have dissapeared on four later & four music but when there is a live thing on it is in the corner but only half is visable on my dodgy tv
you'd think these fuckers would think in harmony with technology instead of desperately trying to assert their corporate identity all over the place. i don't know one modern tv that doesn't flash up a teletext bar telling you which station you're on when you change channel.
do we need these recalcitrant little reminders all over our screens? channel four showed 'baraka' a few years ago - a film entirely based on its visuals - and showed it in widescreen, with the DOG hanging between the black bar and the picture. (joey deacon impersonation.)
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>you'd think these fuckers would think in harmony with technology instead of desperately trying to assert their corporate identity all over the place. i don't know one modern tv that doesn't flash up a teletext bar telling you which station you're on when you change channel.
I don't mind this at all. In fact I like something to come up when I change channels. I just don't want it to stay there.
>>you'd think these fuckers would think in harmony with technology instead of desperately trying to assert their corporate identity all over the place. i don't know one modern tv that doesn't flash up a teletext bar telling you which station you're on when you change channel.
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>I don't mind this at all. In fact I like something to come up when I change channels. I just don't want it to stay there.
I think that was his point - we have these already and with digital you also get the EPGs so there's no need for any further reminder of what channel you're watching except possibly to massage corprate egos. Hence the stations not thinking in harmony with technology.
>>I don't mind this at all. In fact I like something to come up when I change channels. I just don't want it to stay there.
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>I think that was his point - we have these already and with digital you also get the EPGs so there's no need for any further reminder of what channel you're watching except possibly to massage corprate egos. Hence the stations not thinking in harmony with technology.
I recently heard another 'argument' in favour of DOGs. TIVO is something to do with the user specifying to a digital box which kind of programmes they want recorded and the box records it. Apparantly it launches this autumn. Some broadcasters are now worrying that they're not going to get the credit for their shows when people use this system...
Well I'll leave that argument up to you lot to disect and throw out :)
> I wonder will they try and introduce something for the new Breakfast News on BBC ONE. If you don't already know it'll be
presented by Jeremy Bowen, Sophie Raworth and Moira Stuart.
Oh, no: not the return of Uncle Jez (who incidentally is available for children's parties at reasonable rates)?! I must admit I do miss his embarrassing attempts at talking to Sophie in the bit before the weather forecast ... Here's a cracker I remember after a report from the Gaza Strip from when he last graced our screens on Breakfast News.
JB: Yes, the Gaza Strip is a beautiful place. [To Sophie] I must take you down there some time.
SR: (Embarrassed) Yes ... !
Priceless.
The current Breakfast News is a bit like a bad regional news programme really, isn't it?
When's the new look coming in, by the way? I missed the news of it.
I HAVE NOTING AGAINST DOGS AS LONG AS THEY ONLY APPEAR IN ADVERTS THEY DO THIS ALOT ON GRANADA PLUS BUT IT NEVER LEAVES THE SCREEN. ANYWAY IF IT DOES HAPPEN YORKSHIRE & GRANANDA VIEWERS WILL BE LUCKY AS THEY'LL ONLY HAVE THE G OR Y SYMBOL BUT IN LONDON LWT WILL BE BIG BOLD INITIALS AND CARLTON WOULD STRETCH ACROSS THE FUCKING WHOLE SCREEN!!!!
INCIDENTLY DO ALL REGIONS STILL HAVE THE ITV DOG ON THEIR TRAILERS OR HAVE THEY GOT THEIR OWN LOGO AGAIN THEY STILL HAVE THE ITV ONE IN LONDON AS BOTH REFUSE TO ADVERTISE EACH OTHERS CHANNELS
That's a very good point you make there Johnny Banana, I think the only reason we've been subjected to all this ITV corporatism is to please the London stations trying to put on a united front. London needs an ITV identity cos there are two stations. But why does an area like the North East? Even when it was renamed Channel 3 (similar sort of title to ITV in many ways) people still continued to call the station Tyne Tees. There's no conflict here. Having ITV in the trailers and Tyne Tees as the station just adds to confusion, not remove it.
It's odd cos Thames and LWT were quite happy to admit each other exist, but not Carlton and LWT despite the fact they share facilites, LNN etc.
By the way, what is it with LWT and Capital FM? For as long as I remember it seems they've given them the occasional free ad (or at least ads that don't appear to be part of the commercial break, like they do with the itc ads)
I've heard that it is the station logo which is to be used as the dog, not the [itv] thing, and will be used on Granada, YTV and TTTV, but not LWT. I doubt it will be as bold as the trailer version, it will probably be toned down and smaller.
>The current Breakfast News is a bit like a bad regional news programme really, isn't it?
In a way, yes. Though the present look only came in in 1997 it is the only News Programme I can think of that hasn't had new titles in the intervening years. The music is based on the original Breakfast Time music which dates back to 1983. I will miss it when it goes, because the news music will presumably be in 4/4 time and at 60 beats per minute like all the other news. I can't work out what the time signature of the current one is - it is something like 11/8!
Earlier incarnations had the time shifting from 11/8 to 13/8 to 7/8 - crazy!
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>When's the new look coming in, by the way? I missed the news of it.
The Autumn I think. To be simulcast with News 24. Whether there will be a new look, I don't know.
>INCIDENTLY DO ALL REGIONS STILL HAVE THE ITV DOG ON THEIR TRAILERS OR HAVE THEY GOT THEIR OWN LOGO AGAIN THEY STILL HAVE THE ITV ONE IN LONDON AS BOTH REFUSE TO ADVERTISE EACH OTHERS CHANNELS
UTV has been doing its own trailers since 1993 and has not adopted hearts in any way shape or form. Though you will wee them, and the corporate trailers during the generic overnight stuff.
UTV don't show any GMTV trailers if they can help it - due to a row with GMTV which resulted in GMTV not using UTV any more for local news in the morning, but Reuters instead.
Scottish and Grampian do their own trailers and haven't adopted hearts either.
I think the Scottish/Grampian/UTV reason for doing their own thing is that the ITV network seems to be catering (IMO) for England rather than the UK as a whole.
>>When's the new look coming in, by the way? I missed the news of it.
>The Autumn I think. To be simulcast with News 24. Whether there will be a new look, I don't know.
I hope so, I'm rather bored with the current look. I would have thought it would come from the News 24 studio. On that subject, will the new Breakfast News be branded as News 24 on BBC ONE like the overnight output, or without branding like UK Today on BBC ONE digital satellite?
>>>When's the new look coming in, by the way? I missed the news of it.
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>>The Autumn I think. To be simulcast with News 24. Whether there will be a new look, I don't know.
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>I hope so, I'm rather bored with the current look.
I'm sorry I appear to be talking through my underwear. I meant to say that I wasn't sure whether there would be a new name or whether it would still be called Breakfast News. Of course there will be a new look, there definately will be. I presume it will take the corporate look.
>I would have thought it would come from the News 24 studio.
I think it probably will. But with different titles from the regular stuff.
>On that subject, will the new Breakfast News be branded as News 24 on BBC ONE like the overnight output, or without branding like UK Today on BBC ONE digital satellite?
I think it will probably not be branded News 24 as it won't be identical to the version on News 24 due to regional news. I presume that BBC ONE will break off from News 24 as happens currently at just before 6, have a few trailers and go into the simultaneous Breakfasty thing from the clock at 6.00.
I wonder what will the News 24 viewers get during regional news on BBC ONE. UK Today?
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I think there is no point have two similar programmes on the BBC at the same time, so it is a good idea to merge operations. But it will mean that for just under a third of each weekday, BBC 1 will simulcast with News 24. Not much choice is it?
>>I would have thought it would come from the News 24 studio.
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>I think it probably will. But with different titles from the regular stuff.
How about the previous N24 studio with the window looking down on the newsroom. That's not being used right now, is it? It'd easily be changed into the corprate look, after all the BBC1/2 network and regional studios have fake windows and this has a real one. This isn't making much sense so I hope u see what I mean!
>>On that subject, will the new Breakfast News be branded as News 24 on BBC ONE like the overnight output, or without branding like UK Today on BBC ONE digital satellite?
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>I think it will probably not be branded News 24 as it won't be identical to the version on News 24 due to regional news. I presume that BBC ONE will break off from News 24 as happens currently at just before 6, have a few trailers and go into the simultaneous Breakfasty thing from the clock at 6.00.
What about Business Breakfast? Here's one idea:
6:00 BBC News in the weekend/bank holiday style with one of the Breakfast News presenters
6:15 Business Breakfast in much more a similar style (same music even?) as Working Lunch
7:00 The new Breakfast News
Just thought that up on the spot, so it doesn't mean anything
>I wonder what will the News 24 viewers get during regional news on BBC ONE. UK Today?
Trailers?
>I think there is no point have two similar programmes on the BBC at the same time, so it is a good idea to merge operations. But it will mean that for just under a third of each weekday, BBC 1 will simulcast with News 24. Not much choice is it?
Yeah I think this particular case is a good idea, but as for the overnight N24, seriously isn't it about time BBC 1 went 24 hours? Even if it was just a load of old great shows in the archives they haven't repeated for years or something?
I would imagine that the studio would be different to the usual News 24 one - I expect they would want a comfy seating area. Something like the better BBC regional news sets (I'm thinking Look north (NE&Cumbria) and especially Points West here) which have both the desk and a generous seating area - why not have it from Bristol!?! They will need more than one area with three presenters down for it - maybe Moira will do the headlines from a totally different area?
I too will be interested to see what happens to Business breakfast, as I have always thought that that is quite a sueful and unique part of the show. Maybe it will be more like Working Lunch, who knows. I also wonder what will happen to the more magazine-style bits that make Breakfast News, such as the 8:40 slot and the newspaper review. I hope that they do not get sacrificed at the alter of News 24's rolling news.
Yes, it will be sad to see the music go, to be replaced do doubt with another version of the (otherwise quite good but now omnipresent) drums'n'pips.
One final thought on the subject of Working Lunch. At the moment it uses the same set and furniture as Breakfast News, just shuffled around a bit. Will the new Breakfast News mean that it too will be having a revamp?
Didn't Newsnight use that set for a bit too?
>6:00 BBC News in the weekend/bank holiday style with one of the Breakfast News presenters
They don't have News any more in the mornings at weekends because of News 24. Don't forget there is Weekend 24 on BBC TWO at 8am on Saturdays.
What is the style of News on Bank Holiday Mornings now? It used to be Breakfast News for 15 minutes at 7 and 8 but with just one presenter. The 7 one used the full titles but the 8 one used the shorter (half-hour) titles.
This finished when (or maybe before) Breakfast News changed in 1997. After that they just used the generic short titles.
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>>I wonder what will the News 24 viewers get during regional news on BBC ONE. UK Today?
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>Trailers?
For 4 minutes? What about a really long countdown?
I'm all for a realy long News24 countdown
pip pip pip pip BANG! pip pip pip pip BANGBANG!
Yeah!
Incidentally the music for BBC Choice's new entertainment news programme made by BBC News isn't a drums'n'pips variation but a track by Moby. Apparently when he was on it's previous incarnation (Zero 30 on N24) he got on really well with the presenter so they asked him to do a theme tune and he sent over a DAT of unused tracks from the album.
Not having access to BBC Choice, is the show in the BBC News style at all?
>I'm all for a realy long News24 countdown
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>>I'm all for a realy long News24 countdown
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Then everybody would go to work with beeb duh duh beeb duh duh beeb duh duh beeb duh-duh-duh beeb duh duh going round in their heads!
>Incidentally the music for BBC Choice's new entertainment news programme made by BBC News isn't a drums'n'pips variation but a track by Moby. Apparently when he was on it's previous incarnation (Zero 30 on N24) he got on really well with the presenter so they asked him to do a theme tune and he sent over a DAT of unused tracks from the album.
>Not having access to BBC Choice, is the show in the BBC News style at all?
It isn't at all, it has a more youth-orientated feel, but still with air of BBC 'authority' about it.
Quite enjoyed it, actually. Best thing is, the set has a bright white background which hides the BBC Choice DOG!
Why bother with the news at all, just have a really long count down...
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Why only do half an hour? Why not have BBC Countdown 24?
And on the subject of clocks and stuff, why don't they bring back the BBC TWO clock? And why don't they give BBC CHOICE one while they're at it?
> And on the subject of clocks and stuff, why don't they bring back the BBC TWO clock? And why don't they give BBC CHOICE one while they're at it?
BBC ONE now only uses the clock only to introduce the news at 1, 6 and 9 o'clock and weekend bulletins, and nothing else, not even the short daytime bulletins.
BBC TWO only has one main news bulletin a week, on Saturdays, so it's hardly worth having a clock now, although I would like to see it brought back.
BBC CHOICE will never have a clock, they don't have any news bulletins, in fact they only ever use one ident now. I still can't understand why they dropped the other four.
The best CHOICE ident was "Trumpet" and that was only introduced late last year as I recall. All will most likely change when BBC THREE comes about, as is sure to happen.
>BBC ONE now only uses the clock only to introduce the news at 1, 6 and 9 o'clock and weekend bulletins, and nothing else, not even the short daytime bulletins.
I know - they used to use it for Grandstand and closedown. They have used it in the past for handover to News 24 when the clocks have changed. Once, the BBC 1 announcer announced that it was 2.30, followed by: "It's 1.30 on News 24, time for a look at the headlines"
>BBC TWO only has one main news bulletin a week, on Saturdays, so it's hardly worth having a clock now, although I would like to see it brought back.
Yeah - there aren't BBC TWO regional clocks in the digital suites due to cost and the fact they would be rarely needed. Though they do have access to the national clock (which begs the question - why can't they send out a captionless clock and let the regions add their own captions - suppose it is a bit academic since it is never used).
But the thing I find weird - why is there a bullitin on Saturday evenings less than an hour after the previous one. I suppose it is a legacy from that programme - News View which had signing for the deaf for some of it. They don't even have it every week.
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>BBC CHOICE will never have a clock, they don't have any news bulletins
They don't have news in England. They do elsewhere, at 10pm. But then, regional news has never had a clock (well, not for a while, anyway).
Actually one thing N24 could do during the regional news is the coming up/headlines/sport/buisness thing they have on BBC World during opt-out ad breaks.. even more of that nice music!
>Actually one thing N24 could do during the regional news is the coming up/headlines/sport/buisness thing they have on BBC World during opt-out ad breaks.. even more of that nice music!
I liked the old BBC World coming up/headlines/sport/business music, but they changed it with the revamp so it is all beepy now. Still - it isn't bad.
> The best CHOICE ident was "Trumpet" and that was only introduced late last year as I recall. All will most likely change when BBC THREE comes about, as is sure to happen.
We still don't know for sure that it WILL change to BBC THREE, the BBC still deny it. According to http://www.thetvroom.com there is a new CHOICE ident design on the way, if it does and it's still called BBC CHOICE we can safely assume there'll be no change in the foreseeable future.
I was never that keen on the trumpet ident, I always liked 'heart' the best, it's just a pity there's no variety now.
The BBC have announced that they are to launch a BBC 3 and BBC 4.
I read that they are to remove all the sport and news from BBC ONE and TWO, and they will put it on BBC THREE.
I heard that Greg Dyke had a plan to move all current affairs programmes to BBC2 and keep BBC1 as an entertainment channel - not a good move - although news must surely stay on BBC1 at least until News 24 is universally available.
But where did BBC FOUR come from??????
BBC THREE announced?
BBC FOUR???!!!
I'm very interested now - Edia, do you have any idea where I might find this info in an official release or somesuch?
Greg Dyke let BBC THREE slip out a couple of months back and had to quickly add on "or whatever BBC CHOICE becomes".
In a way it's a pity, CHOICE was such a good idea - all the Vets in Practice Extras and in depth programmes, but it just never happened.
The new bbc breakfast programme, is to be called simply, BBC BREAKFAST, the logos can be found at www.svc.co.uk under the porfolio section and along the 4th button, you will know what i mean when you see it.
oh yeah and during breakfast news if you are watching bbc on sky digital then you get this little uk today woman, with a lamp next to her, is this greg dykes office?!
so when the new simulcast is introduced, it will just be uk today on 24, as it already is on ONE digital. Confused?
>I'm very interested now - Edia, do you have any idea where I might find this info in an official release or somesuch?
I read it in the Daily Mail last week.
I also read in the Daily Mail what Edia has said.
>The new bbc breakfast programme, is to be called simply, BBC BREAKFAST, the logos can be found at www.svc.co.uk
Oh, I was expecting Drums and Beeps - Not the case then?
As for putting all news on BBC THREE - I think this is wide of the mark as that would mean putting no news on analogue which would be stupid. It wouldn't happen. BBC FOUR? I don't think so somehow - People would confuse that with Channel Four.
Well, we'll see anyhow...
> I was expecting beeps and drums not the case then?
It would appear not, SVC who made all of the ITV (including Carlton!) logos, have said that this is what the programme will look like when it goes to air, still wont tell me what the music will be like thou, so there is still hope for the 'thinks' at the BBC, or British Bottom Cream. as one radio presenter refers to them up here in the North west! , to have their little drums and beeps....no!
Also BBC Choice does already no new programmes, Choice news at Ten, for example, yet why the hell, even though Sky News at Ten is far better, dont they put news at ten on the ENGLISH BBC Choice?!?! Why is it the weslh irish and scottish who get news programmes and not me? I want to know!!!!!!
Also anyone in the NW seen the new Granada hearts they are SLOWLY introducting? they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
I know it's an old question, but do any of you agree with me that we should get at leat a BBC CHOICE/THREE English regional service, or maybe even the separate English regions? They needn't do the full division, just, North, Midlands and South, or somesuch - it would be better than just getting repeats from 2 hours earlier, and regional TV is pitiful at the moment, it only gets a few hours a week and the regional studios have to use up money when not in use, so why not have them in use for CHOICE?
We could have local sports and news, culture-y things, not the ones where Shefali Oza goes and reads the weather from the 3 Counties show, proper programmes!
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>Also BBC Choice does already no new programmes, Choice news at Ten, for example, yet why the hell, even though Sky News at Ten is far better, dont they put news at ten on the ENGLISH BBC Choice?!?! Why is it the weslh irish and scottish who get news programmes and not me? I want to know!!!!!!
Because there are no English sub-regions on BBC Choice. IF you just had a national news prog, it would compete against BBC News 24 and would be pointless.
The Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh programmes are a mixture of 'local', UK and international.
>Also anyone in the NW seen the new Granada hearts they are SLOWLY introducting? they are CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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BBC Four? Where do people get this rubbish from? What on io would BBC Four be?
Come on. We have five national BBC stations.
BBC ONE, BBC TWO, BBC CHOICE, BBC KNOWLEDGE and BBC NEWS 24.
As for these 'announcements' about THREE and FOUR, well who announced them? The lack of any comment on http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/news/index.shtml suggests that that nothing is going on. Besides, Choice have just relaunched their web pages
BBC THREE has been rumoured for a while, BBC FOUR - not sure about it, although there have been formal comments made by various BBC bigwigs about a CBBC channel, a "BBC PRESCHOOL" channel and a "BBC ARTS" channel, as for a forth general entertainment channel, I agree, there isn't enough material for the current 3, so that'd be silly.
"BBC ARTS" channel
Wasn't that UK Arena which became UK Drama a while back?
BBC ARTS would probably be more highbrow than UK Arena was - classical music, opera, arts discussions etc (TV version of Radio 3?). I can't believe they'd call it BBC FOUR though.
As for CBBC I would think the best idea would be to keep pre-school programming on daytime BBC CHOICE as it is, and keep the new CBBC channel for 6-12 year olds.
I hope the BBC don't go on launching too many new channels, they're spreading themselves thinly enough as it is. And now of course they've got to set aside some money for a new generator...
That's pretty much the scheme they have said they will use - although the preschool channel will most likely be on a different number, it would use the daytime hours of BBC CHOICE/THREE
What is evryone's problem's with DOGs . I like them, give me one reason why i souldn't and i'd like it if you'd all campaign for then soo we can get more of them on TV. I'm not just saying this for the sake of it i really do like them.
I like them too, especially on Channel 5 where they are more interesting and better produced than the programmes - I can't understand why some people take against them - A well positioned and designed DOG is no worry to anyone, I suppose it's just that some of them, like ITV2's original one, are very distracting and badly designed. Otherwise, my only gripe is with the BBC, who insist on putting DOGS on widescreen pictures, but position them so that they will show up on the 3:4 picture, meaning that when the picture is watched in w/s, the DOG is in the middle of the screen!
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>What is evryone's problem's with DOGs . I like them, give me one reason why i >souldn't and i'd like it if you'd all campaign for then soo we can get more of them on >TV. I'm not just saying this for the sake of it i really do like them.
You like them? How sad is that. Personally, I fail to see why some people enjoy paying money for TV, so that they can 'advertise' themselves. They might as well pull their dicks out and waive it in your face.
I don't think there is anything wrong with on-screen branding. Virtually every electrical applianace has its manuafacturer's logo positioned on it somewhere(I bet the PC you're using has), so I find having a DOG on my screen quite natural. Long may they live.
>I don't think there is anything wrong with on-screen branding. Virtually every electrical applianace has its manuafacturer's logo positioned on it somewhere(I bet the PC you're using has), so I find having a DOG on my screen quite natural. Long may they live.
>Yeah, true, but I bet it doesn't ruin pictures or text you are looking at or reading when you use your PC. What next? Irons that leave a mark on your white shirt?
What next? Irons that leave a mark on your white shirt?
No - they are already branded with their own label - I don't hear anyone complaining that their clothes have been "soiled" with a DOG - People go out of their way to have a label on their clothes which proves it's made by a world class company - DOGS (mainly BBC - do the same for TV
>No - they are already branded with their own label - I don't hear anyone complaining that their clothes have been "soiled" with a DOG - People go out of their way to have a label on their clothes which proves it's made by a world class company - DOGS (mainly BBC - do the same for TV
But in the same way many people do not want their clothes spoilt by some poxy manufacturer shoving their logo all over the outside of them - which is why you will not find any distinguishing 'marks' on my clothes.
Some people may like their clothes 'branded', others do not. The sensible solution is to have a DOG Off switch on the remote - turn off DOGs like you turn on subtitles. Simple.
The sensible solution is to have a DOG Off switch on the remote - turn off DOGs like you turn on subtitles. Simple.
It could already be done in digital terrestrial as an MHEG graphic.
>It could already be done in digital terrestrial as an MHEG graphic.
Well there you go. Obviously a sensible solution would be for the channels to have the DOG on by default and then switchoffable. Television companies should know that a hell of a lot of the public can't stand the things - C4, Sky and the BBC have all had to back down on them in the past so why do they continue to be confrontational about it? If the technology is there to allow the user to switch the things off then there really is no excuse in my mind.
Actually,
any one who hasn't checked out DOGWatch on http://625.simplenet.com/ might be interested to view the current comments about BBC CHOICE...
Interesting idea about the user-switchable dog. I wonder how many of these dog lovers would set their box up to display the dog - none I bet, proving that they dont really want them.
And the argument about names on clothes, well really it doesn't come into it because we all know that big names dont necessarily mean good quality, and anybody who buys the clothes just so they can be seen wearing big-brand clothes is rather stupid to say the least.
>Interesting idea about the user-switchable dog. I wonder how many of these dog lovers would set their box up to display the dog - none I bet, proving that they dont really want them.
I don't mind DOGs when I'm flicking channels, but they become annoying when I want to sit down and watch a film.
At one time Central (and maybe other ITV stations) used to show a little, translucent square thing in the bottom right. Just a tiny square.
Does anyone know what the hell that was about?
No. I'm in Coventry and see Central and Anglia and Anglia News has the logo in the corner all the time! It's so big!
Anglia only have the DOG for their news programmes, but I agree it is too big and totally pointless. It is the Anglia square flag with Anglia News on it. It is in full colour and is not transparent, blocking anything in the corner of the screen. That said, a news item with exactly the same footage appeared on London Tonight, but no DOG, or Anglia stamped on it. I am aware that ITV companies do have a news-share scheme, let's hope it doesn't extend to sharing DOGs!
HTV WEST have a logo in the corner of the screen all the time as well.
>HTV WEST have a logo in the corner of the screen all the time as well.
I take it you mean in the news bulletins???
Yes, sorry, that's what I mean.
Just spent 3 days watching HTV Wales and I have to say I will miss their DOG on the trailers, it is far better than the corporate one. However, their news needs some serious updating, it's all shiny and "Mid-90s"
Also, I was watching Ally McBeal on S4C, and you could actually "see the join" between C4 and S4C as in, the "4" Break Bumper was once left on the start of a break and then had another one put on by S4C, and there was the beginning (about 2 seconds) of a Channel 4 trailer after the programme (complete with a big "4" logo) before a local promo cut across it - can a local tell me, is this a common thing?
>Also, I was watching Ally McBeal on S4C, and you could actually "see the join" between C4 and S4C as in, the "4" Break Bumper was once left on the start of a break and then had another one put on by S4C
Surely they don't take a broadcast feed of Ch4, do they? I thought they'd be more sophisticated than that.
>Just spent 3 days watching HTV Wales and I have to say I will miss their DOG on the trailers, it is far better than the corporate one. However, their news needs some serious updating, it's all shiny and "Mid-90s"
The HTV DOGs are staying. It's just that sometimes they forget/can't be bothered to put one over the ITV logo.
Both of the news programmes are changing soon. Wales At Six is to return.
>Planning them from June
Well there are no signs of them on Granada yet, although they have been using their own dog in preference over the ITV dog a bit more in recent days, this may just be because Granada are making more regional programmes.
I have to say though, although most consider Granada to be the pinnacle of the ITV network, they spend so much time in networked programmes that their regional service is dire.
The only Granada station that seems to put any effort into Regional programming is Tyne Tees as they dont make networked programmes anymore. In fact most of TTTV's local output ends up on YTV and Granada later on.
It's all part of Carlton's desperate campaign for the merger with United to go through. By reintroducing Central and Westcountry, Carlton get into everyone's good books and stay in line with United's policy of keeping their stations independent.
By the way, has anyone noticed that Meridian, Anglia and Channel has started using that dreadful generic [itv] idents for Nightime programmes, but HTV keeps using its own? This is despite the fact that the whole lot is transmitted from the same control room!
A friend has told me that Yorkshire had a dog in the upper right corner through programming today (Sunday) in the morning, and vanished for the adverts. This was on analogue and digital terrestrial. Anybody confirm this? It's certainly not there now, but maybe it's a test for the real thing.
I'm told that the dog was a combined itv and Y, something like [itv][Y]
>The HTV DOGs are staying. It's just that sometimes they forget/can't be bothered to put one over the ITV logo.
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>Both of the news programmes are changing soon. Wales At Six is to return.
HTV wales seems to have the promotion DOGs under control and remarkably blast away the bland [itv] that sits there during promotions. Whereas HTV west don't seem that bothered about branding all promotions especially the sport ones for some reason.
Also i can't see Wales at Six returning especially as now the 'HTV NEWS' is beating their BBC rivals. Why change a winning formula? Yes the studio could do with a bit of an update - again!!
>By the way, has anyone noticed that Meridian, Anglia and Channel has started using that dreadful generic [itv] idents for Nightime programmes, but HTV keeps using its own? This is despite the fact that the whole lot is transmitted from the same control room!
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As all the above stations are all 'broadcast' from Southampton and have local idents during the day - why can't they continue them through the night like HTV?
> As all the above stations are all 'broadcast' from Southampton and have local idents during the day - why can't they continue them through the
night like HTV?
Good question. The reason is that promotions teams in Southampton and Cardiff have different views about idents. The Cardiff crowd will purposely make sure HTV idents are scheduled during the night for both Wales AND West. Their oppo's in Southampton are restricted because everything Meridian screens overnight is replicated on Channel (Channel don't employ anybody overnight to make sure Channel idents and bumpers go out instead of Meridian ones - they do during the day). Therefore, generic idents are used. Why Anglia idents can't be used is down to the fact that Southampton promotions can't be bothered to schedule them. However, I know that this will change as there are some staffing changes.
My apologies, by the way: this should have gone out on the United Idents thread! Sorry ...
That still doesn't sound like a good reason for putting out generic idents. Surely this also means that all the services from Southampton take the same commercials as well?
I must agree that LWT's local programming has gone down hill but their London Tonight News Team is better because there is less mistakes & more better effort out put. Natasha kerplunk (or whatever her name is), Katie Haswell & Mary Nightingale are all bitches also could we soon see the return of LWT news as Granada & Carlton become more & more like enemies
> That still doesn't sound like a good reason for putting out generic idents. Surely this also means that all the services from Southampton take the
same commercials as well?
I couldn't agree with you more about putting out generic idents on Meridian, Anglia and Channel. It *is* pointless and is pure laziness. Anglia's commercials differ from Meridian's (Channel's are the same as Meridian's though), which differ again from HTV's.
Cant confirm the Yorks, DOG, but all I can say is that Granada seem to have developed an affection for their DOG, during the trailers, sometimes (i.e. weekends) they use it instead of the ITV DOG, Anyone know when Carlton are expecting to rebrand the stations, I am about to recieve a letter from the ITC regarding this ... I will let you know what happens.
also, you can guareentee that Granada will be the last GMG station to use a 24hr DOG, their in screen presentation is dire.
(I'll also post this on the United Indents thread as well).
Anglia still use the generic ITV format, except when trailing a regional programme when the trailier has the Anglia flag in the top left corner, as well as the dire *news* DOG.
>> That still doesn't sound like a good reason for putting out generic idents. Surely this also means that all the services from Southampton take the
>same commercials as well?
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>I couldn't agree with you more about putting out generic idents on Meridian, Anglia and Channel. It *is* pointless and is pure laziness. Anglia's commercials differ from Meridian's (Channel's are the same as Meridian's though), which differ again from HTV's.
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Not all Channel commercials are the same as Meridian - they have local ot outs
>Not all Channel commercials are the same as Meridian - they have local ot outs
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Oooohhh they do have some viewers in Channel TV area then that have access to new technology (ie a pc!!!)
>> Not all Channel commercials are the same as Meridian - they have local ot outs
> Oooohhh they do have some viewers in Channel TV area then that have access to new technology (ie a pc!!!)
Next you'll tell me they have electricity to run them on - or have they invented the wind-up PC already?
What I meant was, Channel's commercials are exactly the same as Meridian's during Nightime. Channel does opt out occasionally, and CTV viewers have long marvelled at the masterful way that CTV crashes out of the Meridian commercials (placed at the end of a break) into either local commercials or local promos. It's a delight to watch ...
>>> Not all Channel commercials are the same as Meridian - they have local ot outs
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>> Oooohhh they do have some viewers in Channel TV area then that have access to new technology (ie a pc!!!)
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>Next you'll tell me they have electricity to run them on - or have they invented the wind-up PC already?
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>What I meant was, Channel's commercials are exactly the same as Meridian's during Nightime. Channel does opt out occasionally, and CTV viewers have long marvelled at the masterful way that CTV crashes out of the Meridian commercials (placed at the end of a break) into either local commercials or local promos. It's a delight to watch ...
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A lot easier for Channel to opt in and out now that Southampton uses automation
who gives a shit if they do or don't do they sattelite companies have been doing them since they started and when we all go digital what are you going to do. Complain that it's on the screen. i doubt it as they don't listen to worthless shit like you.
great forum though
Now BBC NEWS 24 have decided they need to permanently display 'bbc.co.uk' in the top right hand corner of the screen. It looks absolutely awful.
This comes after BBC CHOICE have added a completely pointless 'LIVE' DOG during anything that is, well, live.
It seems the more we moan about DOGs the more of the blasted things appear.
WHAT THE BLOODY HELL HAVE NEWS 24 DONE?? AS IF TWO DOGS WASNT BAD ENOUGH (THEY HAVE THE CLOCK AS WELL) THEY HAVE STUCK bbc.co.uk IN THE TOP RIGHT!!! THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING IN EVERY CORNER NOW, CANT WATCH THE BLOODY CHANNEL, TOO MANY DOGS!
ALSO, ANYONE NOTICED THAT THE NEWS 24 CLOCK IS NOT PERMANENTLY IN THAT POSITION, DURING SOME BROADCASTS IT IS MOVED ABOUT ? wHY?
SKY NEWS WEBSITE SET FOR RELAUNCH IN THE AUTUMN! ABOUT TIME TOO! arg!!!
Why dont they have the sprt of DOG you get for Sky News ACTIVE {^} ? Where it can be turned off? and say if you had the DOG on for more than 10 mins you get money offf tv license of Sky subscrip.?
Anyone?