LIVE FORUM TANGENT Posted Wed Nov 22 17:43:06 GMT 2000 by 'Radiator Head Child'

Let's talk about TV, no radio...no TV, ooh did I tell you what grade I got for ophysics, oh and in English today it was so funny, which reminds me... so has anyone seen sheep?


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Posted By Jo_ham on Wed Nov 22 20:21:11 GMT 2000:

calculate dy/dx of the forum at x = 5 and x = 3

*ahem*


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Wed Nov 22 20:45:06 GMT 2000:

Oh no. Now I'm distracted.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Wed Nov 22 20:58:19 GMT 2000:

>calculate dy/dx of the forum at x = 5 and x = 3
>
>*ahem*


Where 'the forum' is a given function of a, b, j, k, d, r, and L.


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Posted By Jo_ham on Wed Nov 22 21:04:37 GMT 2000:

also calculate partial dt/dy, partial dt/dx and partial d2t/dydx

it's been a while since I did differential equations..


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Posted By 'Jake' on Wed Nov 22 21:09:12 GMT 2000:

It's been about 4 months for me, so I know all. Or not.


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Posted By 'Phil' on Thu Nov 23 00:06:26 GMT 2000:

How do they get the chocolate chips into the cookies without the chocolate melting?


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Posted By subbes on Thu Nov 23 00:41:41 GMT 2000:

They don't.


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Posted By 'MM' on Thu Nov 23 11:52:28 GMT 2000:


Is that a new top?


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Posted By 'Squidy' on Thu Nov 23 12:00:18 GMT 2000:

That reminds me, does anyone remember that guy from that show? You know, it was in the Eighties and starred that man from that other thing on Channel 4. Remember? He used to wear that blue shirt. Or was it red? Hold on, was it on BBC2? Wait, he may have been a woman...


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Posted By 'Richard' on Thu Nov 23 12:06:54 GMT 2000:

>also calculate partial dt/dy, partial dt/dx and partial d2t/dydx
>
>it's been a while since I did differential equations..

Okay, I'll make the assumption that the form can be expressed by these equations:

y = 2t^2 + t
x = t^3 + t

dt/dy = er, I give up....


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Posted By Jo_ham on Thu Nov 23 12:54:16 GMT 2000:

well, dy/dt would be 4t + 1, so dt/dy would be the inverse of that.

how can I get a job sticking those stickers on apples?

do i need any special qualifications?


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Posted By Steve Berry on Thu Nov 23 13:09:23 GMT 2000:

>do i need any special qualifications?

Yes, but you can only get those from a special school.


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Posted By 'MM' on Thu Nov 23 14:09:25 GMT 2000:

>That reminds me, does anyone remember that guy from that show? You know, it was in the Eighties and starred that man from that other thing on Channel 4. Remember? He used to wear that blue shirt. Or was it red? Hold on, was it on BBC2? Wait, he may have been a woman...

Yes, I remember...the dog chasing a llama falling through a bar, classic.

It was better on acid.


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Posted By 'August Cocker' on Thu Nov 23 15:15:00 GMT 2000:

>>That reminds me, does anyone remember that guy from that show? You know, it was in the Eighties and starred that man from that other thing on Channel 4. Remember? He used to wear that blue shirt. Or was it red? Hold on, was it on BBC2? Wait, he may have been a woman...
>
>Yes, I remember...the dog chasing a llama falling through a bar, classic.
>
>It was better on acid.


*F/X: FORUM IMPLODES*


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Posted By 'Richard' on Thu Nov 23 18:21:07 GMT 2000:

>well, dy/dt would be 4t + 1, so dt/dy would be the inverse of that.
I thout dy/dt was not the inverse of dt/dy. It is all so hazy now.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Thu Nov 23 21:17:15 GMT 2000:

>>well, dy/dt would be 4t + 1, so dt/dy would be the inverse of that.
>I thout dy/dt was not the inverse of dt/dy. It is all so hazy now.
>

I'm pretty sure it is, think about it in terms of a graph. It makes sense.
Not that that is by any means a rigorous mathematical proof.


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Posted By 'Stuart O' on Fri Nov 24 09:16:51 GMT 2000:

From distant memory, I think dy/dt is only the inverse of dt/dy up to the point where you resolve the differential, or something. Shit, I can't believe I'm even trying to work this out.


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Posted By Jo_ham on Fri Nov 24 12:35:35 GMT 2000:

it's catching isn't it.

dy/dt x dt/dx = dy/dx

you're free to swap dx/dt over to dt/dx with a simple 1/function.


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Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Fri Nov 24 14:25:45 GMT 2000:

I'd like to buy a microwave if anyone's selling one.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Fri Nov 24 17:42:18 GMT 2000:

>dy/dt x dt/dx = dy/dx

Yep, chain rule, isn't it?


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Posted By 'paul twist' on Fri Nov 24 20:07:45 GMT 2000:

>>dy/dt x dt/dx = dy/dx
>
>Yep, chain rule, isn't it?
>
>

Please stop bringing back the horror and torment of Maths and - because I was a fool - Further Maths A-levels (ended up only managing an E at AS level FM, by the way). I had almost successfully blocked out all memories of that until this thread started up. Aaaaaaack!


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Posted By 'Jake' on Fri Nov 24 21:06:10 GMT 2000:

You will remember maths, you will remember. If I have to do it 5 days a week at degree level, then I shall inflict upon all others too.


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Posted By Jo_ham on Fri Nov 24 21:42:26 GMT 2000:

>>dy/dt x dt/dx = dy/dx
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>Yep, chain rule, isn't it?
>
>

2 points for you.

it works for partial derivatives too.

I too, thought I could get away from maths when I went to uni.

I do it three days a week now.



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Posted By 'Stuart O' on Mon Nov 27 12:43:01 GMT 2000:

Oh no, I'm fucking tortured now. Somebody please remind me what a partial derivative is.

Is it the one with the curly d symbol:

_
/ \
_\
/ |
\_/

as opposed to the delta thing:
_
/ \
_\
/ |
\_/


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Posted By 'Jake' on Mon Nov 27 13:22:02 GMT 2000:

Partial derivatives are differentiating a function of more than one variable, eg f(x,x,y) with respect to one of the variables while essential treating the other variables as constants. Yes, with "curly d"s.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Mon Nov 27 13:22:38 GMT 2000:

>Partial derivatives are differentiating a function of more than one variable, eg f(x,x,y) with respect to one of the variables while essential treating the other variables as constants. Yes, with "curly d"s.

I did of course mean f(x,y,z)


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Posted By 'Dick Dastardly' on Mon Nov 27 14:08:20 GMT 2000:

So, Fermats last theorem, then. Thats the one that says that x^n + y^n =/= z^n if n is any greater than 2? Isn't it? As opposed to Laundromats last theorum which states that, in a public launderette, it is impossible to transfer washing from the washer to the dryer without at least some items of underwear falling to the floor.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Mon Nov 27 14:51:51 GMT 2000:

>So, Fermats last theorem, then. Thats the one that says that x^n + y^n =/= z^n if n is any greater than 2? Isn't it? As opposed to Laundromats last theorum which states that, in a public launderette, it is impossible to transfer washing from the washer to the dryer without at least some items of underwear falling to the floor.

For any x, y, z, yes. And some bloke proved it by complicating it massively.


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Posted By 'Stuart O' on Mon Nov 27 15:02:30 GMT 2000:

Buggery HTML formatting. You know what I mean.


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