Dogs are the new fish Posted Wed Oct 25 20:05:34 BST 2000 by 'Baby Coelacanth, a tiny living fossil fish'

I've been dying to air this for ages. What I mean is that "fish" used to be the all-purpose comedy animal, particularly in Python. Think of the fish-slapping dance, Yangstze Kiang song, Meaning of Life presenters, "Treadmill the mighty lager with the world's first great taste (of fish)" and so on. Alluding to our finned friends or just saying the word "fish" in unexpected contexts was always a surefire signifier of "wacky" comedy. Remember the boring old joke about how many surrealists it takes to change a lightbulb? The answer, of course, was 'fish'. For a time people just thought surrealism was about saying fish and had scant to do with exploring the unconscious. This reached its apotheosis in the early nineties with Eddie Izzard, who just said "fish" a lot rather than thinking up jokes.

Then along comes Christopher Morris, heir to the animal humour/juxtapositon comedy throne and suddenly humour turns canine. You get ephemeral dogs, bomb-dogs, news-dogs, over-petted dogs, a dog rather well acquainted with George Carey, etc. The odd thing is, while these are basically old style Python fish jokes, they do seem genuinely funny because at least they create fresher images.


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Wed Oct 25 21:07:58 BST 2000:

BC, rabbits are obviously the new comedy animal with rich reference to them in Boothby Graffoe's material and them repetitively turning up in odd places i.e. on the road.

However dogs are so much easier to train to perform stunts and tricks that they obviously have become mainstream in sitcoms and movies alike. Thoughts Gentlemen please.


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Posted By 'Baby Coelacanth' on Wed Oct 25 21:09:49 BST 2000:

I like you Radiator Head Child. You are the new subbes.


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Wed Oct 25 21:15:26 BST 2000:

who was/is subbes?
And is that a good thing?


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Posted By 'Baby Coelacanth' on Wed Oct 25 21:26:22 BST 2000:

She was a regular contributor to this site. Always provoked interesting reactions from people.

Anyway, back to the subject. I'm surprised no-one has commented on Morris's doggyphilia before on this forum. Perhaps they did but I didn't see it. Has anyone noticed dog-related comedy by any other current comedians, esp those who are contemporaries of Morris like L&H etc?


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Wed Oct 25 21:32:45 BST 2000:

xfiles, has not been repeated once to my knowledge.

Horrible bbc.
Wasn't allowed to watch it until 12 or 13 years old.

Am only 15 now.


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Wed Oct 25 21:37:13 BST 2000:

erk completely wrong stream thing- meant to say:

In that case BC, thank you very much, controversial is my middlename (at weekends).


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Posted By 'boki' on Wed Oct 25 21:43:14 BST 2000:

My crazy fish theory is that Captain Beefheart's 'Trout Mask Replica' album (and particularly its scary sleeve) made fish the surrealist's animal of choice in the late 60s/early 70s - but that's probably just a pile of balls.


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Posted By 'Anonymous' on Wed Oct 25 23:18:22 BST 2000:

I don't like you Radiator Head Child. You are the new subbes.


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Posted By 'Phil' on Wed Oct 25 23:29:39 BST 2000:

no x-files have been repeated for at least 3 years on the BBC. They are fools.


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Posted By 'Squidy' on Wed Oct 25 23:41:44 BST 2000:

What about dogfish?






Sorry about that, I'm just overtired.


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Posted By 'Unruly Butler' on Thu Oct 26 01:20:08 BST 2000:

Monkeys are a good comedy animal.

I remember listening to Danny Baker on GLR one morning, when Chris Evans phoned up to say how much trouble he'd had trying to hire a baboon for some lame-brained stunt on TFI Friday.

The discussion went on for a bit, then another caller phoned up to explain how it was much easier to hire a Mandrill, since they came at a far reduced rate.

He informed the Ginger Devil that, had he lowered his monkey standards, he'd have been able to afford the stunt.

The caller? Chris Morris.

Nice to hear Baker, Evans and Morris all on one show at the same time. Ape discussion an unexpected bonus.


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Posted By 'Anonymous' on Thu Oct 26 09:38:45 BST 2000:

>Wasn't allowed to watch it until 12 or 13 years old.
>
>Am only 15 now.

So you keep saying. What do you want? A medal?


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Posted By 'Jon' on Thu Oct 26 10:15:45 BST 2000:

Fish were the surrealists' animal of choice since the beginnings of the movement in the 1920s.

I think it's terrible that RHC has such repressive parents - s/he can't watch TV at 11pm, couldn't watch the X-Files, etc. Tell us their e-mail address and we will all mail them this message:


Dear Mr&Mrs .....
Please let your son/daughter watch as much TV as s/he wants. Whenever s/he wants. With immediate effect.

Yours
........




That should do the trick.


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Thu Oct 26 10:38:52 BST 2000:

*Jon, you seem to have the impression that my parents know/use/understand what the internet is.
Misguided fools.
*I am not Subbes, but she's left an email address on one of the streams so go yell at her, not me.
*You all have years of televisual experience, my birth has seemed to mark the end of good comedy, this is why I add how old I am, to show I am a child and innocent of the ways of Ben Elton etc.


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Posted By 'Jon' on Thu Oct 26 10:43:13 BST 2000:

Ben Elton was on TV 2 years ago, alas.

I mean alas, he was doing stand-up. He was Ok as writer, provided Rik Mayall or Richard Curtis were on hand.


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Thu Oct 26 10:49:00 BST 2000:

oh, it was probably on after the watershed, that barrier has only been recently broken down between the television and I.
I used to have to bribe the babysitter to let me watch The Punt And Dennis SHow


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Posted By 'Anonymous' on Thu Oct 26 10:55:14 BST 2000:

>He was Ok as writer, provided Rik Mayall or Richard Curtis were on hand.

Or Lise Mayer


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Posted By 'Jon' on Thu Oct 26 11:16:29 BST 2000:

"I used to have to bribe the babysitter to let me watch The Punt And Dennis SHow"

What's the going rate for that? Did you force her to watch it with you?


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Thu Oct 26 11:21:53 BST 2000:

Don't be silly, I loved those guys.
Only thing that got me through primary school


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Posted By 'Sam D' on Thu Oct 26 11:59:12 BST 2000:

Newsnight is much better now Hugh Dennis presents it in the style of Jeremy Paxman.


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Posted By 'Jake' on Thu Oct 26 14:27:11 BST 2000:

1) Punt and Dennis are annoying. "Damn you Kropotkin!" That was funny at the time though.
2) Not sure about Radiator Head Child. Bit strange.


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Posted By 'Janet' on Thu Oct 26 16:52:53 BST 2000:

I, too, would like to proclaim my liking for Radiator Head Child.
But is RHC really a sweet, innocent teen, or like all internet identities, just some 45 year old truck driver called Vernon?


[And for goodness sake don't go near the orgy thread!]


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Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Thu Oct 26 19:46:25 BST 2000:

If I was a fortyfive year old trucker named Vernon, my life would obviously be over.
Luckily I live in Essex. (Heavysarcasm)


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