You could add the fact that Hertfordshire and Essex are split into two: London & East Anglia Regions.

The main reasons for overlaps are: the siting and locations of transmitters, coverage, local geography, signal propogation, and occassionally the re-drawing of boundaries by polticians and pen-pushers.

Take Berwick-upon-Tweed as an example. It is served by Tyne Tees North and Border South Scotland.

Being at the extreme tip of North-East England, Tyne Tees would seem the more logical choice for Berwick as its local broadcaster since the town already receives BBC1 North East and Cumbria.

However, a rather ludicrous situation exists in Berwick due in part to the re-allocation of the town's local tramsitter in the mid 80s. When it was first erected in the late 70s it was a Tyne Tees mast, but was changed to Border around 1983. I can only assume that the town's proximity to the Scottish Border might have had something to do with this, despite the fact that Berwick has strong ties with North-East England and very little to do with Carlisle. As a result, locals in the Tweedmouth and Spittal areas of Berwick have Border as their 'local' ITV service, while those parts of the town that receive from Chatton (including the local holiday camp) get Tyne Tees - Obviously TTTV is good enough for the tourists but not for the locals! Very few Berwick people consider Border to be their local ITV station and indeed a letter appeared in the Berwick Advertiser in 1990 bemoaning this fact. Yes, Berwick may have played its part in Border battles, and is close to the national boundary, but it is in North East England after all and therefore should rightly have TTTV as its local station. Surely it would not be too much to ask of the ITC to switch Berwick's ITV/Ch4 feed back to Chatton so that those served by this transmitter get TTTV as well?

Ironically, NET ran a feature on the battle of Halidon Hill (where the Berwick mast is located) - the irony of it was that those people who it was meant to interest most weren't able to watch it as they could'nt get Tyne Tees!

I rest my case...

More:
Luton - Anglia West and Carlton/LWT
Southend-on-Sea - Anglia East, Meridian South-East, Carlton LWT
Yeovil - HTV West and Westcountry
Reading - Meridian West and Carlton/LWT
Chelmsford - Anglia East and Carlton/LWT
Spalding - YTV (Belmont), Central East and Anglia West

Minehead - HTV West, Westcountry and HTV Wales
Edinburgh - Scottish and Grampian

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>Edinburgh - Scottish and Grampian

The Scottish East coast is weird - only a bit south of Edinburgh, and you're in Border.

If it were technically possible to direct a signal per postcode, these telly types would be dead chuffed.

And we would not have regions with populations of 600,000 (Border) and ten million (London)

However, it ain't. It's all dependent on transmitters. So there will always be overlap areas.

If regional television is ever shown on Dsat, however, it could be done per postcode with your decoder card.

Then we could really have regional television with a sensible map.

>The Scottish East coast is weird - only a bit south of Edinburgh, and you're in Border.
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And down into England, doesn't Grampian overlap with the northern part of Tyne Tees?

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>And down into England, doesn't Grampian overlap with the northern part of Tyne Tees?

Shouldn't think so - Grampian stops just north of Edinburgh, keep going downm, you get Scottish, then Border, then Tyne Tees.

Theres a mih-mash of Scottish, Border and Tyne Tees in bits of Southern Scotland

The Scottish Borders itself is offically Border territory. However, Grampian can be received on the East Coast of Berwickshire (and also, I've heard, in parts of Berwick), Scottish can be received in the hills above Duns and Tyne Tees can be picked up in most parts of Berwickshire, depending which way your aerial faces. Tyne Tees have recognised this by including the towns in South Scotland which receive TTTV on its weather maps.

Edinburgh is definitely in the Scottish area. South Fife is also part of Scotttish. There is an overlap in north Fife and around Dundee between Scottish and Grampian, and also around Kinross in Perthshire. However, again Grampian can be received in parts of Edinburgh, though this is dependent on which way your aerial faces and also on the tides in the Firth of Forth!
Viewers served by Scottish's Craigkelly mast, which covers Edinburgh, the Lothians and South Fife, can often get a Grampian picture of variable quality.
Conversely, some towns south of Aberdeen can receive Border from Eyemouth, as well as Tyne Tees!

I long for the day when all ITV stations are put on digital. That way we could have great fun comparing our region with others.

Arranging it by postcode? Now this is the time for me to mention that despite living close to Oxford, I had a Swindon postcode (and could get Meridian, if only very fuzzily. The newsreaders somehow looked more attractive, which says something about Central South's presenters. Yay, Heart Of The Country, too.) in my abode. Also had electricity bills from two overlapping companies, despite losing electricity every time it even rained. Nice.

I'll get me coat.

>Shouldn't think so - Grampian stops just north of Edinburgh, keep going downm, you get Scottish, then Border, then Tyne Tees.
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Hmmm...programme journals in the Tyne Tees region give alternative listsings for YTV, Border and Grampian.

>I long for the day when all ITV stations are put on digital. That way we could have great fun comparing our region with others.

Some stations would really have to pull their socks up then! But I don't think it will happen.

When the ITV Stations are put on sky digital you will only receive your own region. Sadly the days of a free for all when everybody can watch Border TV will never happen

Ah there's always ways and means around that little problem NF ;) heh heh!!!

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Well these BBC cards are pretty much given away to anyone with a UK address, all you need is a network of people in different parts of the country to get a hold of one, activate it for their region and swap with someone from a different region. Satellite dealers will be more than willing to sort this out for folks for a nominal fee.

Yeah you'll need several cards. But like I say there are ways and means....

I would say given this setup I'd probably get about 6 cards, for Central, Westy, HTV, Grampian, UTV and Channel.

>Well these BBC cards are pretty much given away to anyone with a UK address, all you need is a network of people in different parts of the country to get a hold of one, activate it for their region and swap with someone from a different region.

I think it is harded to do this now - someone will know exactly, but I don't think you can swap BBC cards between boxes any more. They will work to give you most FTV channels, but not most BBC and a few others.

>Yeah you'll need several cards. But like I say there are ways and means....

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that a Scotsman who lives in London could ask for his card to be STV. The technology will be there. Why not?
Carlton would get angry (never mind) and Sky Scottish (if that still exists) would be upset.

Which reminds me - whatever happened to Sky Scottish? was it available on analogue to anyone or just in Scotland? What sis it show? And has SMG thought of relaunching it and using it as a sort of stopgap ITV service for on Sky? they could at least have some of the ITV stuff and S2 stuff on satellite then.

Don't forget the BBC here, in Carlisle it is possible to receive BBC Scotland. Although I do think Look North (NE&C) is probably a bit closer to home.
But you're more likely to see some sport on BBC Scotland!!

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>It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that a Scotsman who lives in London could ask for his card to be STV. The technology will be there. Why not?

Because if loads of people started watching Scottish in London, Scottish would have to pay more for the programmes it showed. OK, so you might say that it would get more advertising revenue, but some of the advertisements wouldn't be any good in London. To be honest, I think it is unlikely to happen on ITV as it would undermine the station for each area. It is more likely to happen with the BBC, especially in England - it would give people a chance to see regional news from other regions. The problem with time-delayed programmes having to be paid for twice wouldn't occur as programmes are rarely time-delayed between English regions, only usually between England and the other Nations.
>Carlton would get angry (never mind) and Sky Scottish (if that still exists) would be upset.

Sky Scottish closed (before SkyDigital started iirc). I remember looking at listings in the Daily Record once and there was a programme called 'Scotland Today' - I don't know if it was a repeat of that evening's edition on STV or not. I presume it was. I'm not sure what else the station showed. I think it ran from 6pm-midnight.

Another point - talking of the Daily Record - does anyone know why, if the Record is the Scottish version of the Daily Mirror they have a Belfast edition given the fact that the Mirror also has a Belfast Edition?

It just puzzled me...

Maybe it's an Overlap Area

> Another point - talking of the Daily Record - does anyone know why, if the Record is the Scottish version of the Daily Mirror they have a Belfast edition given the fact that the Mirror also has a Belfast Edition?

The Mirror does also have a Glasgow edition as well - The Scottish Mirror. It isn't as popular as the Daily Record though.

>The Mirror does also have a Glasgow edition as well - The Scottish Mirror. It isn't as popular as the Daily Record though.

Am I right in saying the Mirror and the Record are still one and the same company, though? Or has that changed?

>Am I right in saying the Mirror and the Record are still one and the same company, though? Or has that changed?

I think they're both owned by the same company (Trinity Mirror Media or something).

More bizarrely, the Mirror Group (in its various guises) has owned the Sunday People and Sunday Mirror for 40 years. They are both redtop tabloids going for pretty much the same market.
On the Mirror/Record front, the Daily Mirror used to add the Record's circulation figures to its own to try to catch up with the Sun.
Then management had a change of heart and started the Scottish Mirror.
Editions of the Daily Record are not only sold in England, but printed in Oldham.

>Editions of the Daily Record are not only sold in England, but printed in Oldham.

Are they different from the version for Scotland? I'm not sure how much the Belfast edition varies, but it does have the 'Belfast Edition' strapline.

Even the Daily Telegraph has a 'Scottish edition', though again I don't know how much that varies. I think the Scottish and Irish versions of the Daily Telegraph are the same (apart from the 'Scottish edition' strapline) as each other as certainly the TV page lists STV in both. Whether the Scottish edition carries Irish League, League of Ireland, or Gaelic Games, I don't know. In any case, they are only given a small section, in the Sports supplement on a Monday.