I couldn't possibly comment...

I've just remembered that Jim Davidson doesn't like Paul Daniels. But that hardly counts, does it?

>I've just remembered that Jim Davidson doesn't like Paul Daniels. But that hardly counts, does it?

And neither of them likes Jimmy Savile. Couldn't we book a room for the three of them, or something? And televise it?

There's Liam and Robbie.

What about Newman and Baddiel? Peter Cook and Dudley Moore? Keith Allen and Everyone He's Ever Worked With (but only after the cheque's cleared)? Um...British RAilie and Mark Lamarr?




Ailie: sorry, couldn't resist!

I really don't have any evidence for this, but wasn't there a whole clutch of writers in the late 80s who were going to write for Rory Bremner and then he was so atrocious to work for that they buggered off sharpish? I'm not sure if it was anyone to do with Mary Whitehouse Experience, but I notice that when Danny Baker has a little dig at Bremner on Room 101 (and this was in early 1992) that Nick Hancock's laughter is decidedly caustic. Am I talking complete bollocks? Or does this ring a bell with someone?

Btw - Enfield and Fry. What's all that about then?

Rob Newman hated Bremner for mucking about with his scripts, apparently. See interviews from the early 90s.

Enfield doesn't like any Oxbridge comedy because he says it's just clever-clever shite. When SF was in that incident where someone from his old school tried to punch him, HE was asked in an interview and he said he could see their point. I remember the quote:

"Stephen Fry's treated like this grandfather of comedy... and he's never made a funny show."

I thought Newman & Baddiel amicably called it a day - did they fall out, then?

Best one of all, without question, Peter Cook and David Frost. Highpoint of this has to be Cook refusing the invitation to dinner at Frostie's with the calssic line "I've found I am watching television that night".

Chris Morris and Victor Lewis-Smith probably don't really count, as they seem to have been fuelled by a love of winding each other up rather than by actual hatred.

"Best one of all, without question, Peter Cook and David Frost. Highpoint of this has to be Cook refusing the invitation to dinner at Frostie's with the classic line "I've found I am watching television that night"."

I thought he used that line against the Duchess of York... perhaps there are several versions of the story in circulation. Or maybe Cook just re-used a good line. God knows, enough people recycle duff ones.

I remember Danny Baker referring to the relationship between Chris Morris and Chris Evans while they were at GLR as being akin to that of 'the Arabs and the Jews'. Can anyone shed any light on this?

>I thought Newman & Baddiel amicably called it a day - did they fall out, then?

Wasn't it just that they fell out professionally? That series for BBC2 was very strange - whether we can trust whoever quoted (producer) Harry Thompson's claim that "you could barely get them in the same studio by the time in went into production".

I don't know Newman's position on it, but if Baddiel's asked, he's always keen to say that they still see each other sometimes and get on. And he's the confessional type of comic who would say if he really hated something, I suspect.

>Rob Newman hated Bremner for mucking about with his scripts, apparently. See interviews from the early 90s.
>
Thanks - I had a feeling it wasn't just me.
Was it a Vox interview where Newman pissed himself every time the word "pants" was mentioned? Might even have been the first ever issue (1990ish).

>Enfield doesn't like any Oxbridge comedy because he says it's just clever-clever shite.

Presumably he forgot about Hislop and Nick Newman then. But yeah, I can believe it.

When SF was in that incident where someone from his old school tried to punch him, HE was asked in an interview and he said he could see their point. I remember the quote:
>
>"Stephen Fry's treated like this grandfather of comedy... and he's never made a funny show."

Looking at Enfield's recent form, he's in no position....

Incidentally, am I the only one to wonder if the "ironic" bitterness he displayed in that Fast Show documentary last yearabout the overwhelming popularity of Whitehouse & Higson's baby was not so ironic. He might be great at characters, but you can see through the real him a mile off, on that evidence.

I missed The Fast Show documentary, what do you mean exactly?

>I missed The Fast Show documentary, what do you mean exactly?

Every time Enfield was interviewed on the subject, he had this sort of "I turned down all these characters for my show so Whitehouse said I'll show you Enfield" kind of act. Now, I'm sure everyone involved is convinced there's no bitterness there, but Enfield was protesting so much about it (and, er, it wasn't a funny idea anyway, especially as Enfield's not really had a good idea since the Smashie & Nicey doc which came out in 1994 - less than six months before Fast Show premiered). Bascially Enfield said all Whitehouse & Higson's characters were one-dimensional/same joke every week etc. (as funny as some of them are, what does that make some of Enfield's creations?), and so he told them to go off and do their own show. Which, of course, they did. And it certainly put their former boss's work in the shade.

All I'm doing is reading between the lines, but for me at least, if Harry Enfield was trying to adopt a guise of "bitter former colleague", he fitted the bill too well.

Did anyone else see it? I'll see if I've still got it on tape somewhere...

Yeah I saw that, and I wondered the same thing. Enfield seemed quite uncomfortable throughout, but perhaps he just doesn't like being himself on camera. But what about Whitehouse and Higson - I thought their contempt toward Enfield was more vicious and far more believable. But then, they are much better actors ;o)

Damn, this thread is so interesting. I can't get enough of this stuff!

> Chris Morris despises Mark Thomas, and vice versa.

So what's the story there?

Re: Newman & Baddiel - Baddiel mentioned on Unplanned that they had a massive argument, but then seemed to suggest there's no ill will between them now (at least from David to Robert.) Another thing I noticed whilst rewatching Unplanned was that when Baddiel mentioned necrophilia, Skinner did a Jimmy Saville impression, and then acted a little odd about it. Anyone know what's going on there?

Chris Morris/Mark Thomas: all that I know for certain is that CM once described Thomas as "someone who goes around bullying secretaries", while Thomas once went on at great length about how he thinks CM shows no compassion for the people who _really_ get hurt by his hoaxes. What's the story with CM and Chris Evans then??? Oh and I know two aspiring comedy performers who loathe each other, but neither of them are famous yet.

Re: J Saville

So is JS the TV figure parodied in Irvine Welsh's short story 'Lorraine Goes To Livingston'?

I haven't read it, but I know it involves a celebrity very fond of visiting mortuaries. Welsh was asked when it came out, and he very guardedly said that it was loosely inspired by a real person.

I think Lamarr made some refernce on NMTB as well.

If you saw the documentary on Jimmy Saville with that thin bloke who used to be on Michael Moore's TV Nation, you'll know that JS has preserved his mother's room exactly as it was when she died. He has also apparently chosen not to have sexual relationships. This is probably the basis for the idea that he is a coffin-fiddler. I doubt he is.

Back in 92 there was a US teenage pop duo called Kriss Kross, who would wear their trousers back to front.

I was present when Rob Newman told a large hall full of people that they looked like "they've just made a quick exit from Jimmy Saville's dressing room".

Now let's close the lid on this... sorry...

Not strictly a comedy feud, but a class one all the same: in the early 1990s, some kind of argument erupted between David Quantick and Paul Weller over a negative review. At the time, Quantick was doing his (actually really good) "Quantick's World" slot on "Collins And Maconie's Hit Parade" on Radio 1, and suddenly he started to work sniping references to Weller in at every available opportunity. I know it all sounds a bit childish, but as far as I remember it was both amusing and actually quite exciting, waiting to see just how he would work the mod-fixated John Noakes lookalike into his rant each week...

There's still a page of transcript from an ep of HIGNYF involving Jimmy Saville hanging around on this site, unlinked to. Makes interesting reading.

You couldn't do something useful and tell us how to get to it, could you?

Yeah, go on. This thread's great, nothing like a bit of celeb catfighting to cheer you up!

I just remembered: Caroline Aherne (Mrs Merton) doesn't like Reeves & Mortimer. But I think the point is just that she doesn't think they're funny, not anything personal. However, I didn't see her on Room 101, so could anyone enlighten us more...

I'm not sure I should say, as Rob could get red and angry.

Oh well.

http://mudhole.spodnet.uk.com/~frogger/corpses/hidden/hignfy.html

Jesus...I feel ill...

Whoah.

Oh god that really is unsettling. I'll have nightmares!

I can't believe that.. it's amazing... perhaps if we saw material like that on the show it might actually become good again.
After watching the Louis Thereaux interview, i started to wonder about JS but that's amazing. If only more comedy shows had such deep dark secrets. Do they?

i don't think it's something to celebrate PJ.

My word.

Not something to celebrate - but an extraordinary thing all the same. Who is Sarah Cornley? Does anyone know any more about this story?

Has anyone seen the rushes? Is Merton as angry as he seems to be in the transcript?

This is not the first time that Merton has lost it on HIGNFY. Other "hidden" scripts also show Merton going off on some quite angry tirades against guests ( paula yates, glenda jackson etc)

When, a few years ago, one episode from each series was repeated, series 3 was left out mainly becuase of the cutting-job needed to cut out Merton's triades.

When I started this strand, I thought it would just be "X says that Y nicked his material" or "X says that Y is a posh twat".

Not any of this.

Can we move in the other direction now, please?

hell no!
>
>when i saw the Louis Thereaux interview, i started to wonder about JS
<snip>
exactly , me too. but i didnt jump to any conclusions about him being a child abuser like merton seems to have. What, if anything, does he know that we dont?
Just cos a blokes a bit eccentric and unwilling/unable to form relationships with women dosent make him a viable target for semi-public humiliation like that!
If its true then fine but clearly theres no proof or he'd be inside or dead or both.
did this occur b4 or after the louis interview?
did anyone walk out?
I didnt see the actual episode, presuming some of it made it to air.

and how authentic is that transcript?
was it transcribed by the corpses or sent in?

Yes... I did wonder why Merton agreed to it, if he felt so strongly. Ther'd be no way in hell anything like that could ever be broadcast. And how did they manage to continue recording after something like that? Why didn't the audience leak the story out? Or did they?

However, I find the whole thing overall plausible... now can we move on from it?

>Um...British RAilie and Mark Lamarr?

>Ailie: sorry, couldn't resist!


:0)

For what it's worth, since the topic of Mark Lamarr has been brought up, he's had fairly public 'disagreements' with two complete twats, namely Chris Moyles and Chris Evans...

Yes, but this thread is about hatred between *comedians*.

OK, OK, back in the knife drawer with me...

>Yes, but this thread is about hatred between *comedians*.


*snarl*

Hey that is a bit harsh Ewar. Moyles and Evans are on the breach of comedy...

Sorry to bring it up again, but that Jimmy Saville link seems to be down. Has it been purposefully removed?

Erm, Hi. Not posted in this forum before, although I've been reading it for quite a while now, but I felt moved to post, as the link mentioned by "anonymous" doesn't appear to be working for me. Is this a genuine glitch; or some sort of sinister censorship, the likes of which I thought the Corpses were against? What was the general gist of the transcript? Was there a transcript at all, or is it one big hoax to make gullible people such as myself think that we're missing out on something exciting?

Argh, Pink Moon got there before me!
Dammit. My first message, made completely redundant. Ah well...

It was there, it did exist, but has mysteriously vanished now. Quite..er..interesting reading too. Only wish I'd saved it.

Oddly enough, I knew this would happen, and have saved it. Not sure where I should put it though.

in my inbox?? pleaaaase?

I had always believed that Keith Allen was packing some, whenever his name is mentioned people always say: "Big nob". I now realise that this may be some kind of reproach. But I shan't let this diminish my respect for him.

Sorry that should have gone in the Keith Allen thread.

that's what you get for staying up late Gee-oh. Tsk! Get to bed at a reasonable hour and you wouldn't make such errors *rofl*

"Was there a transcript at all, or is it one big hoax to make gullible people such as myself think that we're missing out on something exciting?"

It did exist. It might be my fault that Rob S took it down, as I mailed asking whether SOTCAA could get into legal trouble. He replied no. I also mailed him wondering if it could be a hoax (which I don't believe, though I can see it might be possible).

I don't believe it was a hoax, because there is something convincing about the way Saville comes across. But why did Merton go ahead with it, and how could they continue in front of the audience that had witnessed all that?

If someone has the HIGNFY transcript saved I'd really (not sure if like is the right word, but hey ho) like a copy of it. If someone is prepared to send it I'll post my e-mail.

I've got it saved, but it's at work, I can send it to you on Monday. Not that I piss about on forums at work or anything. Oh no.

Well, who does THAT?

Thanks Ewar. My e-mail is [email protected]

Umm, could I be dead cheeky and ask for a copy too?

[email protected]

Ta.

Didn't Jim "Cunt" Davidson used to take every available opportunity to slag off Ben Elton? I seem to recall a later occasion when he was asked about this in an interview and he said something like he'd since met Ben Elton and he wasn't such a bad bloke after all.

Was there ever a real rivalry between Newman & Badiel and Reeves & Mortimer? When I saw N&B live, one of the audience for some reason kept shouting "you lying get!" at them. Badiel responded with "isn't that a Vic Reeves catchphrase? that's not a good way to endear yourself to us".

With regard to Enfield/Higson/Whitehouse I don't really think Harry Enfield is that bitter. I'm sure I remember him appearing on the Clive Anderson show when the Fast Show was at the height of its success, singing it's praises and "doing" several of its characters.

Then again I suppose that could have been him saying "I can do this as well as either of them....".

Ooh me too please! [email protected]

I can see I'm going to get *loads* of work done on Monday!

A considerable change from the norm I'm sure!!

I don't mind forwarding the transcript to people, just in case you'd rather get on with some work ;0)

Hell, no!

That's the spirit!!

Any chance I could get a copy too, please; seeing as I was too late to see it before it disappeared? I'm mightily intrigued by it all. Ta muchly!
[email protected]

The transcript just reappeared here:

http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk

As if by magic!

Bloody hell!

Diane Abbott seems to have kept pretty quiet throughout all that.

Can't say I blame her mind....

Interesting isn't it?!

And has now disappeared again - the link seems not to work. Do I detect the sinister hand of Saville at work??? Looks like you'll still have some e-mails to send Ewar...

I can still get it!

I've saved it. I might forward it to the Radio Times and suggest Alison Graham uses it as the basis for her next column.

Nope - keep getting told 'Yahoo! Geocities can't find your page' - what's going on?

s'ok Al, its winging its way to your inbox

Ta!

No probs! You owe me a packet of Chewits though!!

Fine - how do I attach them to an e-mail???

Haven't quite got that one figured! Attach them to a pigeons leg and fly them to me!

Now with FREE yellow egg.

Man, I'm not trusting Rob Sedgebeer with my "secret" information if that was his idea of security. And why remove the document after people found it? "Sinister censorship", huh? It'll probably end up as an e-mail chain letter now. I really hope it's not a hoax.

Al those incidents appear to occur early on - so where there no more? It seems strange that the show would just carry on and there'd be no more related incidents. Will we get any information.

Perhaps this explains why Merton never laughs (except at weird things) during the show - because he always starts with slanderous comments towards the guests. (this is slander isn't it?)

If anyone still needs the transcript tomorrow let me know.

Jesus! All that on top of the Louis Theroux doc is really going to feed my nightmares for the next few years. Just a little bit of confirmation is all that we ask. Anyone got Jimmy/Paul/Sarah's e-mail address?

I think it would be a really good idea to forward the transcript to Alison Graham. Better still, Polly Toynbee.

I don't think that it is a hoax. From what I remember of the trans-thingy there's a point, in one of the earlier exchanges, where Hislop seem to be about to mention the incident but doesn't. It's only later on that he mentions a name - then Merton flips.
The point being that Hislop knew the details, quite specific details at that. The kind of info that the editor of PE would know.

MM

But then why not use them as a story? Or why haven't the less scrupulous tabloids got the story?

I'm gonna guess, based on the amount mentioned, that this is an old story.
Sometime in the 80's perhaps?

MM

This strand has run up 92 postings in 1 week. Which averages about 11.5 per day. Most new strands seem to get about 3 or 4 in their first day.

Which makes me proud of it... we've obviously discovered great rich seams of contempt, loathing and hatred running through the comedy mountains...

That last comment made me rather aroused.

*snigger*

Are we any further towards confirming or denying this, then? Is Sir James indeed a senile old shitter? On the strength of the Theroux programme, the line "I advise you to wash your mouth out, my friend" appears to be pure Saville, while the moment where he says something unsettling out of the blue and then claims it was a joke ("I thought this was supposed to be a comedy programme", etc) also seems to be entirely in character.

Even if this all turns out to be a bizarre hoax, it's still one of the most gloriously unpleasant things I've ever read.

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

Suddenly remembered from an interview in The Independent about two years ago:

Harry Enfield talking of his hatred for lad-comedy in general (what the hell's HE doing then?) and Baddiel in particular. He started saying something along the lines of "I hate his disgusting act about pornography" etc. But it somehow seemed to run deeper than that.

I saw Harry Enfield & Chums last night (another mediocre repeat, thanks very much BBC2). Considering it was the first episode made (1994), it was mostly really knackered stuff, the Tim Nice But Dim antiques sketch was embarrassingly poor, and the Slobs 10 Year Itch thing appeared to last a similar amount of time. As for bloke with High Voice, Enfield's in no position to sound off about the one-dimensionality of Fast Show characters.

I remember an Enfield "Slobs" sketch where Wayne is watching Newman & Baddiel In Pieces and laughing himself hoarse, while all they're saying is words like "wank" and "cock". It was the most blatant and pathetic attempt to rubbish the opposition, and also missed the mark - the fact that N&B were forever banging on and on about how crap they were at relationships would have been a more legitimate target.

If anyone is open to the criticism that their show consists entirely of single words or phrases designed to elicit a knee-jerk laugh of recognition from a pliant and doting audience, it's...

Send a transcript this way, someone please:

[email protected]

Ta.

>I remember an Enfield "Slobs" sketch where Wayne is watching Newman & Baddiel In Pieces and laughing himself hoarse, while all they're saying is words like "wank" and "cock". It was the most blatant and pathetic attempt to rubbish the opposition, and also missed the mark - the fact that N&B were forever banging on and on about how crap they were at relationships would have been a more legitimate target.
>

I remember that sketch. It actually starts off with Wayne laughing at Hale and Pace, who are heard saying things like "Bottoms" and "Willy" to great amusement. It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.
I think you're right about it being a thinly-veiled attack on N&B. Pretty childish behaviour, really.

The sketch also featured Waynetta telling Wayne that she preferred N&B to H&P because they'd gone to Cambridge University.

See Enfield's view of Fry, above...

> It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.


No! If I remember correctly, they went to Cambridge and say 'PENISE!'

>> It ends with him switching over to Newman and Baddiel who, because they are middle-class, say "Penis" instead.
>
>
>No! If I remember correctly, they went to Cambridge and say 'PENISE!'

Oh yeah, that's right, PENISE! Sorry, I'd forgotten that.

Another grovelling request for a transcript of that Merton/Saville business (pitifully late too - I'm obviously reading the wrong threads)...

[email protected]

Regards...

Likewise if anyone feels like killing a few minutes by sending a transcript to [email protected] it would be greatly appreciated as it appears to have stirred up a rather spectacular reaction among those that have already seen it.

And could [email protected] have a copy too? Thanks in advance

still seems to be here...

http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk/

>Interesting isn't it?!

Bloody Hell - Just read it - I just hope it was an idle threat. Even so, you can't defend the first thing. Jimmy is a bit odd, though. I'd like to see the whole episode again, to see whether Jimmy acted differently after the 'revelation' was brought up.

i still cant get it from that link:
http://www.geocities.com/parody_uk/
it just turns into:
http://www.geocities.com/notbbc.css
which 'cant be found'
is this more underhand cencorship?
pretty clever if it is!